Banting race/ride fuel

[Maximis]

Hi Guys

 

I have been on a low carb and medium to high fat diet for the last 3 months. I have lost loads of weight because of this while also riding and running. 

 

The problem i am having is that i am battling to sustain energy levels on a 30km+ ride. So i am asking if there are any riders out there who are on a similar diet and have the same issue?

 

Or if you have solved the problem with the correct diet? If so, what are you using as pre ride fuel, post ride recovery fuel, and during a ride fuel to keep you going?

 

Thanks 

[jcza]

Had the same issue, not once but twice. Added carbs back to my diet. Problem solved. 

[Grey Hubs]

Thought this subject was posted to death already???

 

+carbs +sugar = performance

 

Si?

[jcza]

Thought this subject was posted to death already???

 

+carbs +sugar = performance

 

Si?

 

Some of us are slow learners  despite what science says 

[HBO]

I Also did the banting thing- still do- and experience the exact same thing. I rode up to 75km fasted with only water, which I couldn't do before. However this is at a very, very sedentary pace. (HR less than 70%)

 

The moment I ride at a bit of a tempo, I ran out of energy in a blink of an eye, not to speak of HIIT sessions on the wattbike.

 

Easy Rides between 65 - 90, I will start fasted and take some nuts, droëwors and dates with, which I will have at about halfway. I also take about 100ml of apple juice. I also take this when I'll do a HIIT session on the wattbike, but will add a banana.

 

On long hard rides (95 km+) or races, I will eat oats or muesli before and take 1 energy drink (Single Track Fuel) and a banana- for races I will add a energy bar (32GI) as well.

There is a new bar- iamsuperbar- that is more "naturel" but you can get that only in CT.

 

2 days prior to a race I will start increase my carbs by taking in fruits, and brown rice and sweet patato.

 

I'm still very much in an experimenting state, but the bottom line is that you have to take some sort of carbs if you want to up your performance.

[velomonatiCT]

correct you cannot bant and do hard aerobic exercise

 

you need to increase your carb intake to meet your bodies requirement for energy

 

you can however increase your carb intake in line with the permissible types of carbs of the banting regime

 

you don't have to suddenly eat dougnuts and candy bars and sugary "sport"drinks

 

if you look around there lots of alternative carb sources without the junk food shortcuts

 

"the term "science" doesnt belong on this thread anymore than it would on one about religion....  statistics and opinions can work for which ever side you need to grind your axe

 

live and let live

[edgarblount]

Hi Guys

 

I have been on a low carb and medium to high fat diet for the last 3 months. I have lost loads of weight because of this while also riding and running. 

 

The problem i am having is that i am battling to sustain energy levels on a 30km+ ride. So i am asking if there are any riders out there who are on a similar diet and have the same issue?

 

Or if you have solved the problem with the correct diet? If so, what are you using as pre ride fuel, post ride recovery fuel, and during a ride fuel to keep you going?

 

Thanks 

Maybe you can ask these people - http://www.thenoakesfoundation.org/

or this guy - https://twitter.com/ProfTimNoakes

[NotSoBigBen]

Is it like a firm rule and you will be branded a Philistine should you use carbs when training/racing if you're a 'banter'?

 

I've probably repeating myself 'ad nauseam' but I don't follow a specific type of diet but I eat very very little carbs (they are my kryptonite) and mostly protein however for 'racing' I take carb drinks and an energy bar/gel as needed (I'm no martyr and that won't cause me to immediately pick up weight).

 

For training up to 3 hours I just take water and have never had any problem with energy, some may say then I don't ride hard enough well then so be it, over that I still take water and a banana or energy bar of some sort ....

[Paul Ruinaard]

I have been using 32 GI to date but found some tabs from GU that are essentially electrolyte replacement, using Xylitol I tried them this last weekend and found them great for endurance.

 

Will use them again as an option as I didn't bloat like i do on carb drinks and gels.

 

FWIW: Not at race speeds. I dont think I developed enough speed at any time during the ride to seriously use the term race.

 

[Pieterlab1]

I have been on LCHF for a year now, lost 25kg.

 

I use USN NRG-Bomb half an hour before my ride/race. I then add 1 sachet of Rehidrate to my 1.5l of water during the race. I also eat nuts during my ride/rice.

 

If the ride is longer than 50km's, I also take 500ml of NRG-Bomb which I drink halfway through.

 

I'm not a contender for the Olympics, but this works for me.

[Terence Hope]

Hi Guys

 

I have been on a low carb and medium to high fat diet for the last 3 months. I have lost loads of weight because of this while also riding and running. 

 

The problem i am having is that i am battling to sustain energy levels on a 30km+ ride. So i am asking if there are any riders out there who are on a similar diet and have the same issue?

 

Or if you have solved the problem with the correct diet? If so, what are you using as pre ride fuel, post ride recovery fuel, and during a ride fuel to keep you going?

 

Thanks 

 

 

Took me 6 months to get back to close to where I was after starting, another 6 months and I was exactly how I was on rides prior to cutting out carbs and sugars. Nowadays, can ride up to 3.5 hours at HR avg of 172 just on water. It keeps getting better and better, if you serious, hang in there, 95% of people give up too quickly, human nature, instant gratification. Remember, you are changing your body's 'fuel' , something that has taken years and years to develop, don't expect it to change again in a couple of months. Give it 12 months at least is my advice, worked for me, but hey, im no doctor!

[Grey Hubs]

There's HOPE...

 

(Ok, I should have waited till Friday for this...)

[jcza]

Unless a new human being is invented the following is true.

 

At high exercise intensities (>80 percent of maximal oxygen uptake; VO2max), carbohydrate is the main fuel, regardless of the diet.  

[Maniax]

I do water, bananas and dates on training rides.  But I do race on protein and sugar ("if you want to go fast, you need sugar").

 

So racing:

3 GU Roctane energy gels (super gels)

2 bonkbusters (magic stuff)

1 GU Roctane energy drink mix and 1 water.

 

No cramping, better sustained power, faster times.

[Grey Hubs]

I had no luck googling "bonkbusters"

[Terence Hope]

There's HOPE...

 

(Ok, I should have waited till Friday for this...)

Pretty original, never heard that one before       Got any more?