gummibear Posted November 1, 2018 Share Just for interest sake. The French designed a bullet in the 1980's called the Tres Haute Vitesse (THV) bullet.It was for Special Forces raiding airplanes in hostages and bodyguards. Criminals in SA started wearing bullet proof vests in the late 80's and early 90's and the police needed a bullet that could go through them.With sanctions in place SA couldn't buy international ammo. A bullet was made by PMP and designed by Andre van Dyke.Basically a copy of the THV with a few slight changes. The bullet was very light and extremely fast traveling at 2600fps.It was accurate through glass and would penetrate a steel plate and bullet proof but would stop when hitting flesh.It basically minced flesh up. It was called the MONAD round and issued to specialist police units.It had a little blue plastic cap to help it feed into the pistol or Uzi. DJR, forkie and Wannabe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forkie Posted November 1, 2018 Share Full metal Jacket (FMJ) or Ball ammo will most likely just pass straight through the suspect and may not even slow them down.Best to keep them for the range. Expanding ammo (JHP) will mushroom out and cause more internal damage and if you hit a vital organ drop the suspect on the spot.Less chance of hitting a bystander or family member by accident.Best for self-defence. Difference between 9mm FMJ and JHP. I understand the diff between the types of ammo. i was wondering why you said that you cant compare the 2 when using ball ammo. but i think i get what you meant. the difference in transferred energy Edited November 1, 2018 by forkie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon-goose Posted November 7, 2018 Share Have a question and going to try explain well. When a rifle scope is fitted to a rifle for the first time and the scope dials are set on zero height and side ways alignment. Is the scope sight and the rifle barrel aimed parallel to each other, so you’ll never hit where you’re aiming, or is the scope setup to a certain distance? gummibear 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev null Posted November 7, 2018 Share Have a question and going to try explain well. When a rifle scope is fitted to a rifle for the first time and the scope dials are set on zero height and side ways alignment. Is the scope sight and the rifle barrel aimed parallel to each other, so you’ll never hit where you’re aiming, or is the scope setup to a certain distance? 1. The mounting rings of the scope also determines the alignment. 9 times out of 10 it will never be parallel to the barrel. 2. You determine what should be the zeroed setup for your scope by going through the alignment process which involves shooting at a target setup at your preferred distance and then dialing in the scope. Once you are happy that the scope shoots on the dot at that distance, then you zero the windage and elevation knobs. On my Bushnell I simple lift up the adjustment knob and turn it to zero. On others you will need to loosen a screw and turn the knob. Edited November 7, 2018 by Moridin gummibear and Underachiever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mon-goose Posted November 7, 2018 Share Thanks, understand what you're saying. Effectively zero becomes the distance you want to set it to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummibear Posted November 7, 2018 Share Have a question and going to try explain well. When a rifle scope is fitted to a rifle for the first time and the scope dials are set on zero height and side ways alignment. Is the scope sight and the rifle barrel aimed parallel to each other, so you’ll never hit where you’re aiming, or is the scope setup to a certain distance?Gun shop will use a bore sighter to set up the scope and should get you on the target at 100m but you'll need to do the final adjustments. Join a club and learn how to use the windage and elevation turrets on the scope.Also find a retical that works best for you.You ammo will also make a difference so zero with ammo you will use the most. dev null and DJR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev null Posted November 7, 2018 Share Gun shop will use a bore sighter to set up the scope and should get you on the target at 100m but you'll need to do the final adjustments. Join a club and learn how to use the windage and elevation turrets on the scope.Also find a retical that works best for you.You ammo will also make a difference so zero with ammo you will use the most. Putting holes in pieces of paper is another addiction all on it's own, and can make you poor in a hurry. Almost all Texans suffer from this addiction. God, I hate them for having it so easy to buy things that makes holes in paper. Edited November 7, 2018 by Moridin gummibear, intern and Wannabe 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum911 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Putting holes in pieces of paper is another addiction all on it's own, and can make you poor in a hurry. Almost all Texans suffer from this addiction. God, I hate them for having it so easy to buy things that makes holes in paper. How do you become a millionaire by putting holes in paper? You start off a billionaire... Anyhow, I found "somewhat" of a more budget friendly option.Bought myself a 5.5mm air rifle. Now walking that thing out to 150m is a mission I will be on shortly.For now I'm on 50m trying to get my windage right. Was shooting 10mm groupings of 5 rounds each at 50m yesterday, however not exactly where I was aiming so the wind is still a major factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev null Posted November 7, 2018 Share How do you become a millionaire by putting holes in paper? You start off a billionaire... Anyhow, I found "somewhat" of a more budget friendly option.Bought myself a 5.5mm air rifle. Now walking that thing out to 150m is a mission I will be on shortly.For now I'm on 50m trying to get my windage right. Was shooting 10mm groupings of 5 rounds each at 50m yesterday, however not exactly where I was aiming so the wind is still a major factor. Yea, I have an Air Arms S400 myself. However, the smell of that burnt propellant is like a drug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev null Posted November 9, 2018 Share Currently have my eyes on either the Sig Sauer P320RX or Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS. My old Taurus PT100 needs to be retired. Got it when I turned 22 many years ago. Edited November 9, 2018 by Moridin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummibear Posted November 9, 2018 Share Currently have my eyes on either the Sig Sauer P320RX or Glock 19 Gen 5 MOS. My old Taurus PT100 needs to be retired. Got it when I turned 22 many years ago.Add Smith & Wesson M&P and CZ P-07 to that list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev null Posted November 9, 2018 Share I will probably go for the CZ P-10C if I look at the CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gummibear Posted November 9, 2018 Share I will probably go for the CZ P-10C if I look at the CZ.Ok....i see you prefer full size duty type pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dev null Posted November 9, 2018 Share Ok....i see you prefer full size duty type pistols. P-10C is the same size as G19. https://www.safarioutdoor.co.za/collections/cz/products/9mm-para-cz-p-10-compact-pistol-czp10c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letum911 Posted November 9, 2018 Share Yea, I have an Air Arms S400 myself. However, the smell of that burnt propellant is like a drug. So true!! As for the handgun, I have my eye on a G19 as well. However might even go for a sub-compact G34 as I already have a full frame G21. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodbadugly Posted November 10, 2018 Share Full metal Jacket (FMJ) or Ball ammo will most likely just pass straight through the suspect and may not even slow them down.Best to keep them for the range. Expanding ammo (JHP) will mushroom out and cause more internal damage and if you hit a vital organ drop the suspect on the spot.Less chance of hitting a bystander or family member by accident.Best for self-defence. Difference between 9mm FMJ and JHP. The ball ammo passes right through with very little damage. Unless you hit vitals. Hence the nickname for the 9mmP by the tsotsi. "Two stitch gun"One stitch for the entry wound and one for the exit wound. Done in the ER. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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