DJR Posted September 22, 2019 Share VierlingUs Capies (odd bunch that we are) gave name to the side by side odd barreled gun - called the Cape Gun. It made sense to have something at hand that could tackle a Bloubok or a Guiney Fowl when you were out looking for food in the wilds of the Cape Colony. "A cape gun is a side-by-side version of a combination gun, and is typically European in origin. These were at one time popular in southern Africa where a wide variety of game could be encountered. British versions are commonly chambered for the .303 British service cartridge and a 12-gauge smoothbore barrel, with the rifled barrel positioned on the left. German and Austrian cape guns have the rifled barrel on the right side, which is fired by the front trigger. The front trigger is usually a set trigger as well. The German and Austrian versions are commonly chambered in 9.3×72mmR and 16-gauge, as were commonly carried by the old gamekeepers, although they were chambered in a wide variety of rifle and shotgun cartridges." My little bit of worthless info to share. Edited September 22, 2019 by DJR Wannabe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJR Posted September 22, 2019 Share Do all 4 fire at once?The trigger systems on these type of things come in various formats. If a single trigger, then it normally has a little trigger selector lever that you have to slide to select what to fire. Sometimes it will have 2 triggers, one for the shotgun barrel and the other for the rifle barrel (or barrels). Sometimes if 2 barrels are fired with the same trigger, there is a recoil activated selector to arm the second one when the first one is fired. All have some mechanism to prevent simultaneous firing, but as with all mechanical things, it can go wrong and that makes for an exciting bang and a bruised shoulder, not a blow-up. The variations are near endless and because they were and are almost all made by hand in small numbers, each maker did his own thing. Often trying to out innovate and impress the client with his amazing gunsmithing skill. As beautifully as they are made, sadly, they are not very practical, often being heavy, unbalanced, overly complicated and inaccurate at longer distances. They make for great conversation and show-off pieces though. Long Wheel Base 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJR Posted September 22, 2019 Share Haha only once!I sure would not want to be behind it if that happens. It isn't supposed to blow up, but still I'd rather want to see that happen on a test bench than on my shoulder and right up against my cheek. Long Wheel Base 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson Posted September 25, 2019 Share I Bought this shotgun a month ago. It's a Beretta 1301 Comp. I've almost got the documentation together and should be handing my license application sometime next week. I'm pretty excited about this one and waiting for the licence to get approved is going to be torture. I Haven't shot this one yet but a friend of mine has the same gun and I have shot his a couple of times and it's freaking awesome. geomark, jdwet1980, Long Wheel Base and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJR Posted September 25, 2019 Share .............. It's a Beretta ............Some interesting facts about Beretta: They are the oldest firarms manufacturer in the world. It still belongs to the same Beretta family that founded the company. The earliest documented firearms they made was for the free Republic of Venice in 1526. Their factory is still in the same town in Italy where they started. They have literally been involved in firearms right from the very start and adapted to stay at the forefront of the technology.. On a side note, they are nowhere near the oldest company, They are about 150th on the list. Most of the older companies are in the hotel, wine or restaurant business. Those technologies have not evolved as fast and have not been supplanted. Technology and manufacturing companies tend to not last very long. Beretta is the exception here. Even among family owned businesses, Beretta is only 14th oldest. Edited September 25, 2019 by DJR Wannabe, johnson, Long Wheel Base and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pista Posted September 25, 2019 Share Do all 4 fire at once?They'd break your shoulder if they did. Long Wheel Base 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranswurm Posted September 25, 2019 Share Some interesting facts about Beretta: They are the oldest firarms manufacturer in the world. It still belongs to the same Beretta family that founded the company. The earliest documented firearms they made was for the free Republic of Venice in 1526. Their factory is still in the same town in Italy where they started. They have literally been involved in firearms right from the very start and adapted to stay at the forefront of the technology.. On a side note, they are nowhere near the oldest company, They are about 150th on the list. Most of the older companies are in the hotel, wine or restaurant business. Those technologies have not evolved as fast and have not been supplanted. Technology and manufacturing companies tend to not last very long. Beretta is the exception here. Even among family owned businesses, Beretta is only 14th oldest.I love their firearms Amongst my guns which I offloaded when I moved to Botswana was a Model 92 9mm paraLoved itEasy to strip down clean an reassemble Accurate and comfortable in the hand...especially with a set of Pachmayer gripsI might just get one again Wannabe and DJR 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJR Posted September 25, 2019 Share ...............a Model 92 9mm para...............The Mod 92 in 9mmP is probably the most used sidearm in law enforcement and military applications. It is renowned for its reliability. It was designed in the early 1970s and is still in production over 40 years later. The 9mmP calibre dates back to the very early 1900s when it was designed by Georg Luger, which is why it is also called the 9mm Luger. The P, for Parabellum, in its' name is interesting: The DWM company in Germanty that built it has a Latin phrase in their coat of arms that goes "Si vis pacem, para bellum”, which is roughly translated as "seek peace, but prepare yourself to fight" (If I bore anybody with useless info, just ignore.) Edited September 25, 2019 by DJR GrahamS2, PhilipV and Kranswurm 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannabe Posted September 26, 2019 Share I'm quite sure that I'll still be able, after 33 years, to disassemble and assemble a model 92 blindfolded. Still remember "my" Beretta's serial number, B10885Z. Long Wheel Base 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pista Posted September 26, 2019 Share I Bought this shotgun a month ago. It's a Beretta 1301 Comp. I've almost got the documentation together and should be handing my license application sometime next week. I'm pretty excited about this one and waiting for the licence to get approved is going to be torture. I Haven't shot this one yet but a friend of mine has the same gun and I have shot his a couple of times and it's freaking awesome. For sport or home defence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranswurm Posted September 26, 2019 Share I'm quite sure that I'll still be able, after 33 years, to disassemble and assemble a model 92 blindfolded. Still remember "my" Beretta's serial number, B10885Z. LolIts pretty effing easy.I have found one going for 7K Hardly used.Think I am going to go for it.I paid R406 for my old one Wannabe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannabe Posted September 26, 2019 Share LolIts pretty effing easy.I have found one going for 7K Hardly used.Think I am going to go for it.I paid R406 for my old one Yeah, but keep in mind I have not touched one in 33 years. Looking for that video clip of the SAPS member trying to put her '92 together. LOL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson Posted September 26, 2019 Share For sport or home defence?Not for sport. I Don't do any competitive shooting. Mainly for hunting (and the bonus is that it's also well suited for home/self defence ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson Posted September 26, 2019 Share The Mod 92 in 9mmP is probably the most used sidearm in law enforcement and military applications. It is renowned for its reliability. It was designed in the early 1970s and is still in production over 40 years later. The 9mmP calibre dates back to the very early 1900s when it was designed by Georg Luger, which is why it is also called the 9mm Luger. The P, for Parabellum, in its' name is interesting: The DWM company in Germanty that built it has a Latin phrase in their coat of arms that goes "Si vis pacem, para bellum”, which is roughly translated as "seek peace, but prepare yourself to fight" (If I bore anybody with useless info, just ignore.)And the Z88 that was locally made is an exact copy of the 92FS. I Have also read somewhere that the experts reckon the Z88 is a better firearm than the 92 because apparently SA had access to better quality steel and aluminium to manufacture it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wannabe Posted September 26, 2019 Share And the Z88 that was locally made is an exact copy of the 92FS. I Have also read somewhere that the experts reckon the Z88 is a better firearm than the 92 because apparently SA had access to better quality steel and aluminium to manufacture it. Correct. Just as the R1 was an exact copy of the FN, with a few small adaptions for "our" purposes, and better manufacturing quality. DENEL/Armscor did build some exceptional weapons. DJR and johnson 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kranswurm Posted September 26, 2019 Share Yeah, but keep in mind I have not touched one in 33 years. Looking for that video clip of the SAPS member trying to put her '92 together. LOL....I sold mine in 91 so also a long time ago. Wannabe 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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