MTB thugs spoil a morning ride at Hoogekraal

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I feel your pain, I had some **** on a Sparkly Specialized interrogating me just as I wanted to start my ride. He was a marshal it turned out and I "was" up till then a paid up member with a Tygerberg number broad BUT I have a few boards on the front of my bike and the Tygerberg Mtb club one is unfortunately at the bottom because I ride there maybe 5 times per year. The **** took my number and I got a warning from the club via email... so now they can stick there club up there a$$es. 

Unfortunately for you, you MUST display your TBMTB board whenever you ride there. No excuses. Otherwise, you get a warning, as stipulated in the accepted t's and c's. 3 warnings and you're out, AFAIK. 

 

This is true, no matter your level of unrighteous indignation. 

[BrandonF_]

That's a very different situation - a better comparison here is Brandon the do-gooder pulling you over because he thinks you were speeding and shouting at you about how he knows better. It doesn't sound like these were marshals who are authorised to "police" the trails.

 

You've clearly set your mind on the fact that all the time the OP has spent on this thread has been for an intricate lie where he is just fabricating the whole story to achieve... (you'll have to finish the sentence as I have nothing?).

 

If what he says is 100% true then those people are clearly in the wrong and should learn some restraint/respect. If he is lying then he clearly has far too much free time.

 

Out of interest - are you one of the people in question or do you know them?

Hi Edge,

 

To answer your question, Im not one of them, (my profile pic is visible for all to see, incl the OP), and I dont have a clue who they are, and neither how the scenario between both parties, "truly" went down.

 

But thank you for your reply, hope you have a stellar day

[Skubarra]

Can somebody perhaps just remove the reference to KE in the Contermanskloof page on the tygerbergmtb.co.za website.    

 

"You might even be passed by Kevin Evans training here, but don’t be tempted to hang onto his back wheel, save your legs for the real grind over the last kilometre where you top out at nearly 440m." 

 

Wow, is that reference still on the website? I remember reading it when I joined the club in 2011 - never saw him in the 5 years since...

[Headshot]

The box system at Hoogies is a tad obscure. No permit book to write in as at Contermans. I always pay with snapscan which provides convenient proof of payment if any officious types confront you. This kind of thing has happened to me too.

 

The policeman even enlisted the help of Patrick the trailbuilder to assist him - it was 2 against one up to that point. My buddy and I had paid, as we always do and were slightly full of **** at being confronted. It was all pretty amicable however.

 

There must be a better way than the current situation, surely. Its sad when incidents like this happen. Mine was a mild one and it still left a bad taste in the mouth.

[(Deon)]

Unfortunately for you, you MUST display your TBMTB board whenever you ride there. No excuses. Otherwise, you get a warning, as stipulated in the accepted t's and c's. 3 warnings and you're out, AFAIK. 

 

This is true, no matter your level of unrighteous indignation. 

 

Those freeloaders who were photographed about a year ago and mugs plastered on this site, do you know if they started their membership with warnings?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I've just been reminded of something. 

 

Unfortunately, the club only has control (and sees revenue from) the annual permits. Control of day passes is still in the hands of the farm owners themselves, and as such little has been done to formalise their structure.

 

The club has on a few occasions offered to manage the day-pass purchase process, which would also allow a standardised approach to how they are managed, but so far there has been little interest from landowners in passing control over to the club. 

 

This is why there is a log book at Conters, a Number Board at Bloemendal, and an Honesty Box at Hillcrest & Hoogekraal. 

 

Unfortunately, until a solution is found to this, it will continue to happen. Perhaps more pressure from TBMTB is required. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Those freeloaders who were photographed about a year ago and mugs plastered on this site, do you know if they started their membership with warnings?

no, I don't... 

[Skubarra]

WOW what a bunch of bullies!!

 

The OP was more than reasonable with his posts and admssion about making mistakes here. The way he has been treated here is no different than the way he was treated by the bullies at the trail.

 

Tell you what, because of the way this has been handled I wont be riding there anytime soon, just now I have to deal with some sleevless vest wearing trail prefect with a houding, sounds gross...

 

Patch, I was on the Tygerberg trails yesterday, in the 3 hours I was there (just yesterday) I saw

 

3 people without bike boards flew past me on a members only corridor on 2 seperate occasions.

 

I saw trail runners on the singletrack just beyond the sign that clearly said no trailrunning

 

I caught a guy in the process of crossing over the fence into the closed corridor from Conties to Hoogekraal (as I rode past he suddenly put his bike down and started doing some serious investigations on his chain and then some leg stretches as I rode into the distance so I can't be 100% certain)

 

There are a general disregard for the rules from a lots of riders, the bullies & trail prefects are not the biggest problem here. If keeping to the rules are hard for you then it is maybe better that you stick to the spruit where access are not at the mercy of landowners who can take it away without any justification.

 

Our access to the trails should never be taken for granted, I will take over-zealous policing of the trails over not having trails every time.

[Disylizzy]

I've just been reminded of something. 

 

Unfortunately, the club only has control (and sees revenue from) the annual permits. Control of day passes is still in the hands of the farm owners themselves, and as such little has been done to formalise their structure.

 

The club has offered on a few occasions to manage the day-pass purchase process, which would also allow a standardised approach to how they are managed, but so far there has been little interest from landowners in passing control over to the club. 

 

This is why there is a log book at Conters, a Number Board at Bloemendal, and an Honesty Box at Hillcrest & Hoogekraal. 

 

Unfortunately, until a solution is found to this, it will continue to happen. Perhaps more pressure from TBMTB is required. 

 

you summed it up nicely 

[edgarblount]

Are we allowed to record our rides on Strava while riding the TBMTB trails? 

[GLuvsMtb]

I've just been reminded of something. 

 

Unfortunately, the club only has control (and sees revenue from) the annual permits. Control of day passes is still in the hands of the farm owners themselves, and as such little has been done to formalise their structure.

 

The club has on a few occasions offered to manage the day-pass purchase process, which would also allow a standardised approach to how they are managed, but so far there has been little interest from landowners in passing control over to the club. 

 

This is why there is a log book at Conters, a Number Board at Bloemendal, and an Honesty Box at Hillcrest & Hoogekraal. 

 

Unfortunately, until a solution is found to this, it will continue to happen. Perhaps more pressure from TBMTB is required. 

Perhaps TBMTBC should rather ASSIST opposed to apply pressure. Having a well-thought out day permit system and a revenue share model in place to pay for the R&D of the system means a win-win situation for both the land owner and the club. Land owners don't often get involved with the day-to-day running of the mtb trails on their land, unless they are passionate about the trails themselves (think Steilte and Conties). The more the club can do to make it attractive for land owners to make land available (i.e. security, hassle free trail management, revenue share, etc), the more likely it is that land owners will renew annual agreements with clubs.

Hmmm... maybe here's an opportunity for an entrepreneur to make some serious cash....

[Skubarra]

Are we allowed to record our rides on Strava while riding the TBMTB trails? 

 

Please do, great way to identify rogue riders 

[MTBeer]

Are we allowed to record our rides on Strava while riding the TBMTB trails? 

only if your Strava times are worth looking at. otherwise don't bother.

[Disylizzy]

Perhaps TBMTBC should rather ASSIST opposed to apply pressure. Having a well-thought out day permit system and a revenue share model in place to pay for the R&D of the system means a win-win situation for both the land owner and the club. Land owners don't often get involved with the day-to-day running of the mtb trails on their land, unless they are passionate about the trails themselves (think Steilte and Conties). The more the club can do to make it attractive for land owners to make land available (i.e. security, hassle free trail management, revenue share, etc), the more likely it is that land owners will renew annual agreements with clubs.

Hmmm... maybe here's an opportunity for an entrepreneur to make some serious cash....

 

The club had a proposal inplace that they presented to the landowners, but like Myles said, the landowners that offer the day permit sales prefer to handle it themselves.  It was very similar to the concept that Bottelary uses.

[Guest notmyname]

This would never happen on the Spruit.

[GLuvsMtb]

The club had a proposal inplace that they presented to the landowners, but like Myles said, the landowners that offer the day permit sales prefer to handle it themselves.  It was very similar to the concept that Bottelary uses.

then the flip side would be to pay a bit more for trail use and have some form of minimum requirement with regards to access control and permit sales. I'd offer to pay (say) R50 000 a year more to ensure that permits are checked over weekends and public holidays (minimum) if I was the club if it was going to ensure that club members are not exposed to having to deal with policing rogue riders. If the land owners are satisfied that the honesty box is adequate, they surely can't expect the club to deal with the rogue rider situation, apart from discouraging it in communications and where members ride with rogue riders, take action against these members?  

I still think that if a uniform day-permit system is presented to the land owners correctly with sufficient benefit to them, that they'll grab the opportunity.

 

To expect members to do the policing is a ticking time bomb.