The Mystery Rider has been found, NOW how to keep going to Friday?

[Thor Buttox]

shhh keep that Ace for the day he decides to run for HubPresident and we need a tender!

Nah, Myles may be many things, but tender?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Nah, Myles may be many things, but tender?

In some places... 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I imagine something like this...

 

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2145508/images/o-GIRL-TODDLER-YELLING-facebook.jpg

Where did you find that picture of me!?

[Meezo]

Where did you find that picture of me!?

 

picked up some weight recently boet

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

picked up some weight recently boet

And a bit more hair... Also blonde. The similarity is striking, though. 

[Neverfit]

Seeing that the transgressor has been identified by the club, under which T&C's this rides used the trail, the club can publish the outcome of the inquiry/hearing. This in itself will be a good measure of how serious they deem such offenses, and discourage other chops from repeating such behavior. As for naming the culprit - I wont support that--yet - some people might get carried away with feeling they now have the personal detail of said person, and accost him in his office/home. 

If however the same individual repeats this behavior, i will include his name and club membership number in the next months newsletter - along with his notice of suspension from all club activities and club membership.

He transgressed and needs to account for that - the club is busy handling this on the correct platform.

 

The moment you start encouraging physical confrontation - YOU become the culprit - wonder what would all the okes saying "moer hom" do when they loose the fight....still be so cocky?

 

Thanks to OP for pointing this guy out and letting the proper forum hold him to account.

[GLuvsMtb]

Yeah, that much is super stupid.

 

As for self-appointed - no. It's in the terms and conditions of the membership agreement - that all members are to be law abiding and report non abiding members / rogue riders to the relevant authorities. We're also tasked with ensuring that day visitors pay to ride the trails, if we see someone rock up without a board. Tell them to pay, and if they refuse, contact the landowner or a marshall to escort them off the trails. Never physically accost them, but make it well known that they need to abide by the rules, lest we lose the ability to ride on the private land. If they're with a member, take a pic of the guy showing his / her number board and send it in to the committee so that they are given a warning. 3 warnings and you're out. 

 

You would not believe the excuses we've heard... And the blatant disregard for the rules. 

 

however - as Thor says - never should it get physical, or abusive. Yes, there may be a swear word or 2 every now and then (acceptable, IMO - ESPECIALLY if the excuse for not paying is "the money is in my car" - and the car is 20m away) but no assault permitted, nor abuse. 

The problem is that behaviour and outcomes are not always predictable. Imagine one of these rogue riders are packing some heat on their rides, a good law-abiding club member does his "duty" to confront the rogue rider. Or a over zealous member actually assaults a seemingly rogue rider (who turns out to be the land-owner's guest). Things get out of hand and someone gets hurt.

I hope that the club has sufficient public liability cover, because if it is expected of members to do this civil duty and a club member gets hurt or killed in the process, legal action will be sure to follow.

Trespassing is not criminal offence, its deemed to be a civil matter., yet assault can be deemed a criminal offence. I would rather let the land owner deal with this (with the club's support of course) than have members interpret the clubs guidelines on this as loosely as they wish.

Ticking time bomb... thats all I'm saying.

[Skubarra]

I would rather let the land owner deal with this (with the club's support of course) than have members interpret the clubs guidelines on this as loosely as they wish.

Ticking time bomb... thats all I'm saying.

 

And if the landowner method of dealing with this is from the Kliprug school of "Screw this, I don't need this crap, no mtb'ing on my property"?

 

Can't say I agree with your idea of making rogue riding the landowner's problem.

[Duane_Bosch]

Something I've learned a long time ago.

 

The problem with "confronting" a supposed rogue rider is no matter how in the wrong he is and how in the right you are you'll always get a bunch of bullcrap excuses or a barrage of insults.

 

It's a sure fire way to ruin your ride. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

And if the landowner method of dealing with this is from the Kliprug school of "Screw this, I don't need this crap, no mtb'ing on my property"?

 

Can't say I agree with your idea of making rogue riding the landowner's problem.

Landowners have requested that the club itself deal with the minutiae of rogue riding, only getting involved if it REALLY gets messy. As for the guests - they still need to pay to ride, even though they are guests. AFAIK, that is. Owners may have guest boards, though.  

[BDF]

He has been identified and is being dealt with. Not sure what repercussions he is going to face but I hope they're large ones.

Who was there to take the photo? Was it another cyclist or was it the landowner/farm worker/trail builder? Was he confronted while on the trail?

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Who was there to take the photo? Was it another cyclist or was it the landowner/farm worker/trail builder? Was he confronted while on the trail?

Nope. None of the above. It's a static motion-activated camera. And a very well hidden one at that. 

[popcorn_skollie]

7 pages later and all i get is this

 

http://i.imgur.com/ilXE51O.gif

[Meezo]

7 pages later and all i get is this

 

 

http://data.whicdn.com/images/97552632/large.jpg

[BDF]

Nope. None of the above. It's a static motion-activated camera. And a very well hidden one at that. 

That is a great idea. Bet he never thought that would happen!

[Thor Buttox]

The problem is that behaviour and outcomes are not always predictable. Imagine one of these rogue riders are packing some heat on their rides, a good law-abiding club member does his "duty" to confront the rogue rider. Or a over zealous member actually assaults a seemingly rogue rider (who turns out to be the land-owner's guest). Things get out of hand and someone gets hurt.

I hope that the club has sufficient public liability cover, because if it is expected of members to do this civil duty and a club member gets hurt or killed in the process, legal action will be sure to follow.

Trespassing is not criminal offence, its deemed to be a civil matter., yet assault can be deemed a criminal offence. I would rather let the land owner deal with this (with the club's support of course) than have members interpret the clubs guidelines on this as loosely as they wish.

Ticking time bomb... thats all I'm saying.

You have very valid points. And as a preventative measure the club would be correct to dissuade okes from getting violent. And a trespass case might be just what is needed to dissuade the other side to play ball. But it's a huge hassle that I can t see the landowners wanting in their lives