Team Announcement for XCO World Champs – Nové Mēsto (CZE)

[TimW]

here is olympic mtb qualifying according to wikipedia

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cycling_at_the_2016_Summer_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Qualification#Women.27s_cross-country_race

 

 

which comes from here - http://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/NewsGeneral/16/76/10/2014-04-Rio2016-QualificationSystem-FINAL-CyclingMountainBike-EN_Neutral.pdf

 

so sitting at #17, the men can only send one person unless they get to #13 by the cut-off (which i think is actually today)

the women in #20 will not qualify for a slot (they need to be at 17).

so here's what i think the african representation at the olympics will be

 

MEN:

RSA(UCI rank-17) - 1

Mauritius (48) - 1

Rwanda (78) - 1

 

WOMEN:

RSA(uci rank 20) - 0

Namibia (39) - 1

That is not correct ...

 

Men 11th (two at Rio) -- I would suspect James Reid, Philip Buys or Alan Hatherly (Philip may fall foul of Sascoc's desire to build for the future but that is pure speculation on my part and unlikely)

Women 21st (none) -- but women won African champs so qualify one, but Sascoc has turned that position down and it has gone to Namibia (I think)

 

Of course this is all presuming Sascoc accept the places but I cannot see why they would not and I think they have an agreement with CSA signed and sealed -- so expect two men MTB riders.

[Eldron]

That is not correct ...

 

Men 11th (two at Rio) -- I would suspect James Reid, Philip Buys or Alan Hatherly (Philip may fall foul of Sascoc's desire to build for the future but that is pure speculation on my part and unlikely)

Women 21st (none) -- but women won African champs so qualify one, but Sascoc has turned that position down and it has gone to Namibia (I think)

 

Of course this is all presuming Sascoc accept the places but I cannot see why they would not and I think they have an agreement with CSA signed and sealed -- so expect two men MTB riders.

 

This always dents my logic cells.

 

Build for the future at the Olympics? Surely we build for the future at nationals and some rounds of the world cup?

 

Olympics and World Champs are for the okes that are at career peaks!

[Shebeen]

That is not correct ...

 

Men 11th (two at Rio) -- I would suspect James Reid, Philip Buys or Alan Hatherly (Philip may fall foul of Sascoc's desire to build for the future but that is pure speculation on my part and unlikely)

Women 21st (none) -- but women won African champs so qualify one, but Sascoc has turned that position down and it has gone to Namibia (I think)

 

Of course this is all presuming Sascoc accept the places but I cannot see why they would not and I think they have an agreement with CSA signed and sealed -- so expect two men MTB riders.

 

VERY happy to be corrected here, but from what i can see as of 25 May - we're in 16th spot

http://www.uci.ch/mountain-bike/ranking/

 

this got updated overnight(women moved up to 19th, still not good enough for a slot).

[TimW]

VERY happy to be corrected here, but from what i can see as of 25 May - we're in 16th spot

http://www.uci.ch/mountain-bike/ranking/

 

this got updated overnight(women moved up to 19th, still not good enough for a slot).

I think (and I stand to be corrected on this) you are looking at the rankings for the past year (ie May 2015 to May 2016) and not the combined ranking over the past two years which is used for final qualification.

 

The SA men were ranked 9th at May 2015 and then 16th for the past year, so our combined ranking is 12th once we combine the two sets of points (we were 11th before the update). See "Total Result" on the dropdown.

 

Can anybody confirm I am correct on that ... I am pretty sure that is the case.

[Shebeen]

I think (and I stand to be corrected on this) you are looking at the rankings for the past year (ie May 2015 to May 2016) and not the combined ranking over the past two years which is used for final qualification.

 

The SA men were ranked 9th at May 2015 and then 16th for the past year, so our combined ranking is 12th once we combine the two sets of points (we were 11th before the update). See "Total Result" on the dropdown.

 

Can anybody confirm I am correct on that ... I am pretty sure that is the case.

I'm just going what is on their site, but it would make sense to have a combined ranking

[TimW]

But spare a thought for the Swiss riders ... they have three spots, but Florian Vogel, who is ranked 11th in the world, could miss out because Schurter, M Fluckiger and Giger are all ranked above him ... or at least one of these four will miss out depending on their selection criteria. On their day any one (or two or three) have the potential to get a medal. 

 

Swiss have six guys in the top 20.

[TimW]

From the official UCI / IOC document ...

 

UCI Olympic qualification ranking   

NOCs ranked 1 to 5: 3 (15 total)

NOCs ranked 6 to 13: 2 (16)

NOCs ranked 14 to 23 1 (10)

Subtotal: 41 (plus 8 from continental qualifications not in UCI rankings-- 2 from each continent)

 

Women

NOCs ranked 1 to 8: 2 (16)

NOCs ranked 9 to 17: 1 (9)

Subtotal: 25 (plus 4 -- but not SA who turned this option down)

 

The UCI Olympic Qualification Ranking is a combination of the UCI ranking by nation Cross-country as of 25 May 2015 and 25 May 2016.

 

The UCI ranking by nation of 25 May 2015 is based on results from 25 May 2014 to 24 May 2015.

 

The UCI ranking by nation of 25 May 2016 is based on results from 25 May 2015 to 24 May 2016.

 

The UCI ranking by nation is calculated by summing the points of the three (3) best placed riders from each NOC in the UCI Individual Ranking, Olympic format.

 

NOCs with only one (1) or two (2) riders will also be included in the UCI ranking by nations. Tied NOCs have their relative positions determined by the place of their best rider on the individual ranking.

 

I think it is safe to say we have two men qualified as the 12th best nation.

 

Changed to two qualified!

Edited May 25, 2016 by TimW

[Shebeen]

But spare a thought for the Swiss riders ... they have three spots, but Florian Vogel, who is ranked 11th in the world, could miss out because Schurter, M Fluckiger and Giger are all ranked above him ... or at least one of these four will miss out depending on their selection criteria. On their day any one (or two or three) have the potential to get a medal. 

 

Swiss have six guys in the top 20.

some of them should look at taking up SA citizenship whilst they train here in the summer

 

From the official UCI / IOC document ...

 

UCI Olympic qualification ranking   

NOCs ranked 1 to 5: 3 (15 total)

NOCs ranked 6 to 13: 2 (16)

NOCs ranked 14 to 23 1 (10)

Subtotal: 41 (plus 8 from continental qualifications not in UCI rankings-- 2 from each continent)

 

I think it is safe to say we have three men qualified as the 12th best nation.

think it's only two...and with 2014-2015 results counting we no doubt have some doping points from mr croeser to thank for that too.

[Gen]

And qualification is now closed.. final standings

 

 

 

[Guest Lancesball]

The criteria set out by CSA for slot qualification has been achieved by Phil Buys and Alan Hatherly.

[TimW]

some of them should look at taking up SA citizenship whilst they train here in the summer

 

think it's only two...and with 2014-2015 results counting we no doubt have some doping points from mr croeser to thank for that too.

Yes ... it is two.

I am sure we have been helped by Rourke -- that 9th from 2015 certainly contains some of his points I am sure.

[TimW]

The criteria set out by CSA for slot qualification has been achieved by Phil Buys and Alan Hatherly.

 

Is that official?

 

Do you know on what basis did James Reid miss out?

 

Good for Phil and Alan, but in my mind sad for James. 

[Gen]

The criteria set out by CSA for slot qualification has been achieved by Phil Buys and Alan Hatherly.

Huh. .that's odd that Buys got the nod and not Reid... hasn't Reid been beating Buys consistently?

[Danger Dassie]

Is that official?

 

Do you know on what basis did James Reid miss out?

 

Good for Phil and Alan, but in my mind sad for James. 

Not official no, CSA have not released their announcement as yet, they're due to do so within the next week or so. 

 

Imho opinion it's pretty unfair and disingenuous to the athletes concerned to make an unsubstantiated announcement like that outside of any official announcement from the actual people concerned. Wether it turns out to be true or not.

 

[Danger Dassie]

I see the UK, Spain, Hungry, Russia, Holland, Czech Republic, Austria etc ... missing out on riders at the Olympics. 

[jcza]

Not official no, CSA have not released their announcement as yet, they're due to do so within the next week or so. 

 

Imho opinion it's pretty unfair and disingenuous to the athletes concerned to make an unsubstantiated announcement like that outside of any official announcement from the actual people concerned. Wether it turns out to be true or not.

 

 

I thought I heard them saying on SuperCycling the other night that there will be no uncertainty this time around as everyone is aware of what the qualifying criteria will be.

 

Meintjes and Impey announced today.