Is it tubeless?

[bikebloke]

so another question for those with experience..

 

google says (sorry  ) that you need a compressor to seat the bead in a ust rim no matter what tyres you use ....

 

compressor or could you get it on with a track pump considering tyres will be ralph performance and rims are mavic ust ?

[Warren_G]

Anybody using tubeless road tyres?

[bikebloke]

Anybody using tubeless road tyres?

 

im not even going there

[mtbride]

so another question for those with experience..

 

google says (sorry  ) that you need a compressor to seat the bead in a ust rim no matter what tyres you use ....

 

compressor or could you get it on with a track pump considering tyres will be ralph performance and rims are mavic ust ?

 

Seat one side on the rim while a tube is in, then remove the tube and seating the other side might be easier on it's own then. Or use a bomb ... I know sealant does not like bombs, but once it's seated, you can deflate and add sealant through the valve. But mines not UST rims, but this is what I do.

[Martin PJ]

errm, nice bit of theory you got going there, but its all presumptive and very much negative while ignoring the positive experiences out there. There are those of us who ran ghetto tubeless for years without 'failure', which I assume you mean to refer to tyres blowing off the rim. The thing about ghetto, is that if the bead don't seat, its game over wrt going tubeless. But the ghetto aspect provides additional purchase for the bead, and often it seals. Once it seals, you are pretty much good to go. For a very long time.

 

Note too: your theory doesn't take into account the reality that even with full tubeless compliant tyres and rims, tyres still get blown off the rim. Mine burps if I hit an edge hard enough. So now what? give up cycling cos the smidgen of risk of failure?

 

By failure, I mean any kind of problem in a race. For example, I had a problem with a tire that was too big for the rim. In a race it punctured, deflated in about 1 second, spend 20 minutes with myself and my partner trying to get it back on the rim, took three plugs, four bombs. It was 10 degrees and raining for five hours during the race and my hands didn't work properly. So that is the type of thing I hope to avoid. This was a tubeless ready Racing Ralph. I wouldn't like to try and seat a non tubeless tire in a race.

 

You are right for MTB we cannot manage every possibility of failure, I have seen that the more you obsess about these things, the less that seems to go wrong.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

so another question for those with experience..

 

google says (sorry  ) that you need a compressor to seat the bead in a ust rim no matter what tyres you use ....

 

compressor or could you get it on with a track pump considering tyres will be ralph performance and rims are mavic ust ?

The perennial answer - it depends.

 

Some seat well, others don't. It's by no means a hard and fast rule. Some seat with a handpump, some need a garage blower. 

[Martin PJ]

so another question for those with experience..

 

google says (sorry  ) that you need a compressor to seat the bead in a ust rim no matter what tyres you use ....

 

compressor or could you get it on with a track pump considering tyres will be ralph performance and rims are mavic ust ?

 

You may be able to seat with a pump, give it a try first with soapy water on the rim and no sealant. Once it is seated, then add the sealant through the valve. With a compressor, it is just easier.

 

I always use a CO2 bomb as plan B. It also works well. People say you must remove the CO2 once it is seated, deflate and re inflate a few times.

[capediver]

Any tire...any rim....

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[Grey Hubs]

You also need to take care when seating a non tubeless tyre. I had a X-king slip off a Stans rim at 3 bar while i was carrying the wheel. As I walked though my kitchen !BOOM!! - ringing ears for the next 20 minutes! I'm still trying to get the sealant off the ceiling  Hard one to explain when the Mrs got home... 

[JXV]

so is that supposed to be a good thing ...or not

 

what if you get a puncture?

do you put in sealant anyway? which makes it even heavier

or do you use lighter tyres that aren't ust

and use sealant ...

 

im totally confused now

Use sealant whatever tyres you choose. Peace of mind.

 

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[dave303e]

You can get them to seat with a normal pump, just takes some precision planning, ic try get tyre sitting as best you can on the rim before trying to inflate. A compressor makes life easier though...

[JXV]

so another question for those with experience..

 

google says (sorry ) that you need a compressor to seat the bead in a ust rim no matter what tyres you use ....

 

compressor or could you get it on with a track pump considering tyres will be ralph performance and rims are mavic ust ?

Compressor helps. On Sunday I seated 2 Maxxis LUST Ardents quite easily on a set of WTB i23 rims with a normal floor pump.

 

Whether using a floor pump or a compressor, remove the valve cores to get more airflow to seat the beads on the rim then deflate, insert sealant thru the valve body, clean and reinsert the valve core and pump up.

 

Another trick is to hang the wheel from something. This way the weight of the rim does not deform the tyre and it has a better chance of hooking up the bead and sealing.

 

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[Odinson]

Compressor helps. On Sunday I seated 2 Maxxis LUST Ardents quite easily on a set of WTB i23 rims with a normal floor pump.

 

Whether using a floor pump or a compressor, remove the valve cores to get more airflow to seat the beads on the rim then deflate, insert sealant thru the valve body, clean and reinsert the valve core and pump up.

 

Another trick is to hang the wheel from something. This way the weight of the rim does not deform the tyre and it has a better chance of hooking up the bead and sealing.

 

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This is a pretty important step that is often times overlooked. It makes seating the bead so much easier.

[AlanD]

Two weekends back I just set up my new tires (Magic Mary and Rock Razor) and giant p-trx1 rims tubeless.

 

Didn't even bother wasting breath on floor pump so went to the petrol station, added Stans, soaped the beads and used the compressor...pop..pop...tires on. Did the shimmy shake to coat everything.

 

Used gorilla tape around the rim, 1 layer and overlapping past the valve. That tape seems solid and easy to work with.

 

Then, they started to slowly loose some air over a few days and I thought I may not have put enough Stans in. I then deflated and heard the pop of them un-beading and so I added a bit more sealant and tried with the floor pump and boom....pop...pop..back onto rim...what a pleasure. 

 

I have now put the wheels horizontal resting on a bucket for a few hours on one side and the flip over to the other side to ensure the sealant seeps into the tire. From what I read tires can be porous, some more than others. Also read that a goof first ride will do the trick in sealing them.

[mtbride]

Two weekends back I just set up my new tires (Magic Mary and Rock Razor) and giant p-trx1 rims tubeless.

 

Didn't even bother wasting breath on floor pump so went to the petrol station, added Stans, soaped the beads and used the compressor...pop..pop...tires on. Did the shimmy shake to coat everything.

 

Used gorilla tape around the rim, 1 layer and overlapping past the valve. That tape seems solid and easy to work with.

 

Then, they started to slowly loose some air over a few days and I thought I may not have put enough Stans in. I then deflated and heard the pop of them un-beading and so I added a bit more sealant and tried with the floor pump and boom....pop...pop..back onto rim...what a pleasure. 

 

I have now put the wheels horizontal resting on a bucket for a few hours on one side and the flip over to the other side to ensure the sealant seeps into the tire. From what I read tires can be porous, some more than others. Also read that a goof first ride will do the trick in sealing them.

 

Was this with snakeskin or non-snakeskin? Never seen a snakeskin version leak any sealant from the sidewalls

[AlanD]

Was this with snakeskin or non-snakeskin? Never seen a snakeskin version leak any sealant from the sidewalls

Snakeskin version. There is no sealant leaking at all. It just seems to slowly loose some air which I assume is due to the sealant not getting to every corner of the wheel hence I added in a bit extra.