Ryinc Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 The hilly bits will favour the maglia rosa somewhatNot a climbers course at all, from what i read.
jcza Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Quintana a wheel sucker? Really? Which wheel is he sitting on?
'Dale Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 Not a climbers course at all, from what i read.NopeIt's hilly though I'm going it will level the time trailing field somewhat for the maglia Rosa ????
'Dale Posted May 15, 2017 Author Posted May 15, 2017 Some stats while the PROs rest Before the Giro began, we noted that between 2011 and 2015, Giacomo Nizzolo (Trek-Segafredo) finished inside the top 5 on a remarkable 21 stages of the Giro, all without winning one. And that included nine second-place finishes, four alone in 2014. Unfortunately for the 28-year-old, his streak has continued so far this Giro. The Italian champion was fourth on the opening stage and third on stage 3 (from the Gaviria wind-shaped escape group), giving him 23 Giro top-fives without a win.
Patchelicious Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 Quintana a wheel sucker? Really? Which wheel is he sitting on?He hasn't been doing too much of that in the race so far. The chirps come from his 2016Tour. I don't think anybody in this race can actually put him the red when it gets steep. Maybe Gee and Yates will tow him if they go for some stage wins.
GrumpyOldGuy Posted May 15, 2017 Posted May 15, 2017 I think Quintana was hoping for more time yesterday and Dumoulin and Pinot surprised him, if he was going as hard as he could, then I think some of the others are going to feel a bit more hopeful. Theres a lot of climbing in this Giro so I think he could probably get sufficient time to win overall even if he loses a chunk in the ITT, but if Dumoulin, Pinot, Mollema and company carry on climbing like they did I dont think he will feel too comfortable, they were breathing down his neck very easily.
nochain Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 I think Quintana was hoping for more time yesterday and Dumoulin and Pinot surprised him, if he was going as hard as he could, then I think some of the others are going to feel a bit more hopeful. Theres a lot of climbing in this Giro so I think he could probably get sufficient time to win overall even if he loses a chunk in the ITT, but if Dumoulin, Pinot, Mollema and company carry on climbing like they did I dont think he will feel too comfortable, they were breathing down his neck very easily.Yeah 100%I think he would have expected to see Nibali closer but not the 2 strongest TT GC riders.With over 60km of TT riding left in this race it adds up to way more than the hilltop finish climbs.I think he is going to be stretched more than he would want to be in that final week.I hope both Pinot and Tommy have a perfect day today...then it's race on!!Also hope Thomas goes very fast today..Would be good if he kept at it to see where he ends up as a GC rider
Cav' Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 ITT Start times 1 Matteo Pelucchi - Bora-Hansgrohe 12:45:00 2 Giuseppe Fonzi - Wilier Triestina 12:46:00 3 Marcin Bialoblocki - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 12:47:00 4 Zhandos Bizhigitov - Astana Pro Team 12:48:00 5 Ilia Koshevoy - Wilier Triestina 12:49:00 6 Sam Bennett - Bora-Hansgrohe 12:50:00 7 Simone Andreetta - Bardiani CSF 12:51:00 8 Alberto Losada - Katusha-Alpecin 12:52:00 9 Sean De Bie - Lotto Soudal 12:53:00 10 Ivan Savitckii - Gazprom - Rusvelo 12:54:00 11 Dmitriy Kozontchuk - Gazprom - Rusvelo 12:55:00 12 Jan Bárta - Bora-Hansgrohe 12:56:00 13 Jakub Mareczko - Wilier Triestina 12:57:00 14 Evgeny Shalunov - Gazprom - Rusvelo 12:58:00 15 Lorenzo Rota - Bardiani CSF 12:59:00 16 Giacomo Nizzolo - Trek-Segafredo 13:00:00 17 Daniel Martin - Quick-Step Floors 13:01:00 18 Phil Bauhaus - Team Sunweb 13:02:00 19 Nicola Boem - Bardiani CSF 13:03:00 20 Maximiliano Richeze - Quick-Step Floors 13:04:00 21 Rory Sutherland - Movistar Team 13:05:00 22 Manuel Senni - BMC Racing Team 13:06:00 23 Pieter Serry - Quick-Step Floors 13:07:00 24 Twan Castelijns - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 13:08:00 25 Maxim Belkov - Katusha-Alpecin 13:09:00 26 Davide Martinelli - Quick-Step Floors 13:10:00 27 Vincenzo Albanian - Bardiani CSF 13:11:00 28 Iljo Keisse - Quick-Step Floors 13:12:00 29 Tom Stamsnijder - Team Sunweb 13:13:00 30 Rüdiger Selig - Bora-Hansgrohe 13:14:00 31 Sergey Lagutin - Gazprom - Rusvelo 13:15:00 32 Eugenio Alafaci - Trek-Segafredo 13:16:00 33 Alexander Edmondson - Orica-Scott 13:17:00 34 Caleb Ewan - Orica-Scott 13:18:00 35 Johann Van Zyl - Dimension Data 13:19:00 36 Roberto Ferrari - UAE Team Emirates 13:20:00 37 Svein Tuft - Orica-Scott 13:21:00 38 Christopher Juul Jensen - Orica-Scott 13:22:00 39 Ángel Vicioso - Katusha-Alpecin 13:23:00 40 Victor Campenaerts - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 13:24:00 41 Martijn Keizer - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 13:25:00 42 Moreno Hofland - Lotto Soudal 13:26:00 43 Luka Mezgec - Orica-Scott 13:27:00 44 Jul Amezqueta - Wilier Triestina 13:28:00 45 Alex Howes - Cannondale-Drapac 13:29:00 46 Manuel Quinziato - BMC Racing Team 13:30:00 47 Joe Dombrowski - Cannondale-Drapac 13:31:00 48 André Greipel - Lotto Soudal 13:32:00 49 Branislau Samoilau - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 13:33:00 50 Michal Golas - Team Sky 13:34:00 51 William Bonnet - FDJ 13:35:00 52 Aleksei Tcatevich - Gazprom - Rusvelo 13:36:00 53 Mirco Maestri - Bardiani CSF 13:37:00 54 Daniele Bennati - Movistar Team 13:38:00 55 Enrico Barbin - Bardiani CSF 13:39:00 56 Mads Pedersen - Trek-Segafredo 13:40:00 57 Kristijan Koren - Cannondale-Drapac 13:41:00 58 Jan Tratnik - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 13:42:00 59 Vasil Kiryienka - Team Sky 13:43:00 60 Lukasz Owsian - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 13:44:00 61 Sacha Modolo - UAE Team Emirates 13:45:00 62 Viacheslav Kuznetsov - Katusha-Alpecin 13:46:00 63 Eugert Zhupa - Wilier Triestina 13:47:00 64 Jasper De Buyst - Lotto Soudal 13:48:00 65 Cesare Benedetti - Bora-Hansgrohe 13:49:00 66 Michael Hepburn - Orica-Scott 13:50:00 67 Daniel Teklehaimanot - Dimension Data 13:51:00 68 Ivan Rovny - Gazprom - Rusvelo 13:52:00 69 Sindre Skjøstad Lunke - Team Sunweb 13:53:00 70 Simone Ponzi - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 13:54:00 71 Filippo Pozzato - Wilier Triestina 13:55:00 72 Marco Marcato - UAE Team Emirates 13:56:00 73 Maciej Paterski - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 13:57:00 74 Fernando Gaviria - Quick-Step Floors 13:58:00 75 Matej Mohoric - UAE Team Emirates 13:59:00 76 Quentin Jauregui - AG2R Mondays 14:00:00 77 Jos Van Emden - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 14:01:00 78 Kenny Elissonde - Team Sky 14:02:00 79 Giulio Ciccone - Bardiani CSF 14:03:00 80 Nathan Haas - Dimension Data 14:04:00 81 Ryan Gibbons - Dimension Data 14:05:00 82 Matteo Busato - Wilier Triestina 14:06:00 83 Matvey Mamykin - Katusha-Alpecin 14:07:00 84 Omar Fraile - Dimension Data 14:08:00 85 Davide Villella - Cannondale-Drapac 14:09:00 86 Kristian Sbaragli - Dimension Data 14:10:00 87 Valerio Agnoli - Bahrain-Merida 14:11:00 88 Julien Berard - AG2R Mondays 14:12:00 89 Dries Devenyns - Quick-Step Floors 14:13:00 90 Benoit Vaugrenard - FDJ 14:14:00 91 Matthieu Ladagnous - FDJ 14:15:00 92 Luka Pibernik - Bahrain-Merida 14:16:00 93 Lars Ytting Bak - Lotto Soudal 14:17:00 94 Jurgen Van Den Broeck - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 14:18:00 95 Francisco Ventoso - BMC Racing Team 14:19:00 96 Jasper Stuyven - Trek-Segafredo 14:20:00 97 Jesus Hernandez - Trek-Segafredo 14:21:00 98 Tom-Jelte Slagter - Cannondale-Drapac 14:22:00 99 Edward Ravasi - UAE Team Emirates 14:23:00 100 Lukas Pöstlberger - Bora-Hansgrohe 14:24:00 101 Pavel Brutt - Gazprom - Rusvelo 14:25:00 102 Enrico Gasparotto - Bahrain-Merida 14:26:00 103 Bart De Clercq - Lotto Soudal 14:27:00 104 Carlos Verona - Orica-Scott 14:28:00 105 Pello Bilbao - Astana Pro Team 14:29:00 106 Felix Großschartner - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 14:30:00 107 Clement Chevrier - AG2R Mondays 14:31:00 108 Paolo Tiralongo - Astana Pro Team 14:32:00 109 Dylan Teuns - BMC Racing Team 14:33:00 110 Simon Geschke - Team Sunweb 14:34:00 111 Laurent Didier - Trek-Segafredo 14:35:00 112 José Gonçalves - Katusha-Alpecin 14:36:00 113 Andrey Zeits - Astana Pro Team 14:37:00 114 Silvan Dillier - BMC Racing Team 14:38:00 115 Ruben Plaza - Orica-Scott 14:39:00 116 Adam James Hansen - Lotto Soudal 14:40:00 117 Eros Capecchi - Quick-Step Floors 14:41:00 118 Michal Schlegel - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 14:42:00 119 Jérémy Roy - FDJ 14:43:00 120 Bram Tankink - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 14:44:00 121 Manual Boaro - Bahrain-Merida 14:45:00 122 Chad Haga - Team Sunweb 14:46:00 123 Luis Leon Sanchez - Astana Pro Team 14:47:00 124 Sergey Firsanov - Gazprom - Rusvelo 14:48:00 125 Gregor Mühlberger - Bora-Hansgrohe 14:49:00 126 Salvatore Puccio - Team Sky 14:50:00 127 Hugh Carthy - Cannondale-Drapac 14:51:00 128 Igor Anton - Dimension Data 14:52:00 129 Sebastian Henao - Team Sky 14:53:00 130 Victor De La Parte - Movistar Team 14:54:00 131 Enrico Battaglin - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 14:55:00 132 Diego Rosa - Team Sky 14:56:00 133 Julien Bernard - Trek-Segafredo 14:57:00 134 Robert Kiserlovski - Katusha-Alpecin 14:58:00 135 Philip Deignan - Team Sky 14:59:00 136 Jose Rojas - Movistar Team 15:00:00 137 Giovanni Visconti - Bahrain-Merida 15:01:00 138 Georg Preidler - Team Sunweb 15:02:00 139 Alexander Foliforov - Gazprom - Rusvelo 15:03:00 140 José Mendes - Bora-Hansgrohe 15:04:00 141 Pierre Rolland - Cannondale-Drapac 15:05:00 142 Steve Morabito - FDJ 15:06:00 143 Joey Rosskopf - BMC Racing Team 15:07:00 144 Tomasz Marczynski - Lotto Soudal 15:08:00 145 François Bidard - AG2R Mondays 15:09:00 146 Tobias Ludvigsson - FDJ 15:10:00 147 Mikel Landa - Team Sky 15:11:00 148 Matteo Montaguti - AG2R Mondays 15:12:00 149 Jacques Janse Van Rensburg - Dimension Data 15:13:00 150 Ben Gastauer - AG2R Mondays 15:14:00 151 Gorka Izagirre - Movistar Team 15:15:00 152 Laurens Ten Dam - Team Sunweb 15:16:00 153 Jose Herrada - Movistar Team 15:17:00 154 Winner Anacona - Movistar Team 15:18:00 155 Stef Clement - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 15:19:00 156 Natnael Berhane - Dimension Data 15:20:00 157 Rudy Molard - FDJ 15:21:00 158 Kanstantsin Siutsou - Bahrain-Merida 15:22:00 159 Laurens The Plus - Quick-Step Floors 15:23:00 160 Patrick Konrad - Bora-Hansgrohe 15:24:00 161 Jesper Hansen - Astana Pro Team 15:25:00 162 Hubert Dupont - AG2R Mondays 15:26:00 163 Peter Stetina - Trek-Segafredo 15:27:00 164 Cristian Rodriguez - Wilier Triestina 15:28:00 165 Jan Hirt - CCC Sprandi Polkowice 15:29:00 166 Sébastien Reichenbach - FDJ 15:30:00 167 Franco Pellizotti - Bahrain-Merida 15:31:00 168 Valerio Conti - UAE Team Emirates 15:32:00 169 Michael Woods - Cannondale-Drapac 15:33:00 170 Simone Petilli - UAE Team Emirates 15:34:00 171 Ben Hermans - BMC Racing Team 15:35:00 172 Maxime Monfort - Lotto Soudal 15:36:00 173 Rui Costa - UAE Team Emirates 15:37:00 174 Geraint Thomas - Team Sky 15:38:00 175 Adam Yates - Orica-Scott 15:39:00 176 Jan Polanc - UAE Team Emirates 15:42:00 177 Dario Cataldo - Astana Pro Team 15:45:00 178 Tejay van Garderen - BMC Racing Team 15:48:00 179 Bob Jungels - Quick-Step Floors 15:51:00 180 Tanel Kangert - Astana Pro Team 15:54:00 181 Steven Kruijswijk - Team LottoNl-Jumbo 15:57:00 182 Andrey Amador - Movistar Team 16:00:00 183 Davide Formolo - Cannondale-Drapac 16:03:00 184 Ilnur Zakarin - Katusha-Alpecin 16:06:00 185 Domenico Pozzovivo - AG2R Mondays 16:09:00 186 Vincenzo Nibali - Bahrain-Merida 16:12:00 187 Bauke Mollema - Trek-Segafredo 16:15:00 188 Tom Dumoulin - Team Sunweb 16:18:00 189 Thibaut Pinot - FDJ 16:21:00 190 Nairo Quintana - Movistar Team 16:24:00
Blokman Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 Sunday all the children at home for mothers day.I'm watching stage nine with my three year old grandson. Oupa , ry jy ook op die pad?Oupa, is jou boude ook so op ?Oupa, ry jy ook saam jou best friends ?
jcza Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 He hasn't been doing too much of that in the race so far. The chirps come from his 2016Tour. I don't think anybody in this race can actually put him the red when it gets steep. Maybe Gee and Yates will tow him if they go for some stage wins. Its difficult to attack when all the GC contenders are getting dropped by the Sky domestiques. I think he did the best he could.
Gen Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 Pinot to have a cracker of a ITT today. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
nochain Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 Its difficult to attack when all the GC contenders are getting dropped by the Sky domestiques. I think he did the best he could.You hitting the nail on the head!!Many people talk about the wheel suckin g but it is not in his nature at all.He is a very aggressive mountain climber but he can only be aggressive when it suits his attributes.As a small climber he would hate high tempo riding and most of the TDF gradients are more high tempo type of climbing.He has been much more aggressive in the Giro and Vuelta. He knows he only has 1 big weapon..not like Dumoulin and Froome and he needs to get maximum out of it when he has the opportunity. I think small GC climbers are going to find things very difficult in the new power based riding world..lots of riders starting to measure their effort on the climbs rather than follow and blow up.Follow and blow up is what the Quintana type of rider wants.Now he has to work really hard for 20 second and then guys like Dumoulin can take 2 minutes in a TT.That's why we are seeing more and more guys like Jungels enter the GC world.
HBO Posted May 16, 2017 Posted May 16, 2017 You hitting the nail on the head!! Many people talk about the wheel suckin g but it is not in his nature at all.He is a very aggressive mountain climber but he can only be aggressive when it suits his attributes.As a small climber he would hate high tempo riding and most of the TDF gradients are more high tempo type of climbing.He has been much more aggressive in the Giro and Vuelta. He knows he only has 1 big weapon..not like Dumoulin and Froome and he needs to get maximum out of it when he has the opportunity. I think small GC climbers are going to find things very difficult in the new power based riding world..lots of riders starting to measure their effort on the climbs rather than follow and blow up.Follow and blow up is what the Quintana type of rider wants. Now he has to work really hard for 20 second and then guys like Dumoulin can take 2 minutes in a TT. That's why we are seeing more and more guys like Jungels enter the GC world. Very good comment. This is why I can't understand why he and the likes of Alberto attack more and earlier on a climb. Team Sky and the riders you mentioned are happy with a climb at a high, constant pace but the moment you hit them with fast and furious attacks, they blow up. A case in point is how Andy and Frank attack in tandem in the 2011 TDF- I think it was the final Mountain stage before the ITT where Andy lost yellow to Cadel. I know I'm pro-Schleck, but that was probably the best tactical race I've seen. So much better than this boring high tempo racing up the mountains. Unfortunately I missed Sunday's race due to a power failure.
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