Scalpel Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 There must be some agreement with UCI if Boonen and others will be riding discs this season. Its only a matter of time before the UCI legalise discs.
Frosty Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 As far as I know and have read, the UCI (World tour teams) are TESTING the use in races. Don't know when the process will the trickle down to us bottom feeders riding in the license cats in SA.Here is the technical guidelines for equipment, updated on 2017.01.01 - page 6 shows it too. I do know the trickle down was allowed earlier in 2016 (when they allowed it during certain events). After the suspension, I haven't seen anything - but if there is a link then it needs to be shared.
SwissVan Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 That bastion of truth in cycling Bicycling.com weighed their teat units at 16.9 lbs for disc brakes and 16.8 lbs for rim brakes. All other things equal. That is hardly a weight penalty. But yes, over the UCI minimum. http://www.bicycling.com/bikes-gear/reviews/first-look-specialized-venge-vias-disc As to the tick tick of a bent rotor, hasn't been an issue in 2 1/2 years, I think road bikes take less of a beating than mountain bikes.Cycling news weighed his (Sagan) bikes before TDU and the disc version was 0.41 kg heavier, and that's for a guy like Sagan who gets all the best bells and whistles. http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/gold-wheels-custom-srms-home-made-shoes-and-more-tour-down-under-tech/ Anyway I like discs.... on my mtb and I know they perform better than rim brakes, but you know when you lift the wheel off the ground and spin it to see how easy it turns or for how long it spins....i.e. To check if the pads are dragging.... never have to do that on rim brake bike and if you do it's so nice to see how easy it turns
LOOK695 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 Have you got a link to the statement or rule book.The latest version (updated 14.10.2016) doesn't show it's allowed for road. edit: here's the current rules on UCI.org Part I: General organisation of cycling as a sporthttp://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/17/68/12/1-GEN-20160909-EN_English.PDF Road raceshttp://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/17/73/59/2-ROA-20170112-E_English.pdf Cycling for Allhttp://www.uci.ch/mm/Document/News/Rulesandregulation/16/75/94/15-CPT-20160101-E_English.pdf Not a statement from my side, but more a question reading between the lines with the newer discs being rounded
LOOK695 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 Open seeded is classified as Cycling for all: Cycling for all1.1.039 A cycling for all licence is issued to the cyclists practising cycling as a leisure activity. This licence shall give access only to events on the cycling for all calendar.(text modified on 1.01.05). They are not bound by UCI rules, but rather the local affiliate/event organiser rules. So disc brakes are allowed in the open bunches. Otherwise MTB will not be allowed to enter a road race.Spoke to a chap from CSA and he said that they follow UCI rules and no disc brakes are allowed in bunch racing. This he answered on my question whether the rule applies to vets only or open seeded as well
eddy Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Unfortunately, our world is dictated in a large way by what the "Pro's" do. but manufacturers manufacture what the Pro's ride, and then use trickle down technology to make it affordable for us normal beings... I think that it is the other way around. If the pros really wanted to ride disks, the UCI would have agreed it long ago. Pros ride what the manufacturers tell them to ride. They are there to market the industry's products. On road bikes, innovation is also often not to make a better bike, but rather to make a better selling one and thus obsolescence is built into the product strategy. Shaped tubes and aero designs have virtually no real world benefit that could not better been achieved by improving your setup on the bike. Disks on road bikes do have benefits under certain circumstances, but also drawbacks. In an ideal world we would have choices and would ride horses for courses. But instead of having just 10% of riders adding a disk bike to their quiver, marketing strategy drives everyone towards a new bike, whether we need one or not. How often did we not see people claiming to be “upgrading” to a 29er and buying a worse bike than they had ? Product lifecycles are shortened and new models are visually distinguished from the ones replaced through paintwork so it becomes obvious that a rider is on "an outdated model".
LOOK695 Posted January 23, 2017 Author Posted January 23, 2017 I think that it is the other way around. If the pros really wanted to ride disks, the UCI would have agreed it long ago. Pros ride what the manufacturers tell them to ride. They are there to market the industry's products. On road bikes, innovation is also often not to make a better bike, but rather to make a better selling one and thus obsolescence is built into the product strategy. Shaped tubes and aero designs have virtually no real world benefit that could not better been achieved by improving your setup on the bike. Disks on road bikes do have benefits under certain circumstances, but also drawbacks. In an ideal world we would have choices and would ride horses for courses. But instead of having just 10% of riders adding a disk bike to their quiver, marketing strategy drives everyone towards a new bike, whether we need one or not. How often did we not see people claiming to be “upgrading” to a 29er and buying a worse bike than they had ? Product lifecycles are shortened and new models are visually distinguished from the ones replaced through paintwork so it becomes obvious that a rider is on "an outdated model". Agree with you eddy. But it still is a choice for a new entrant or if you are upgrading. At the moment I only have my gravel bike, so I am not allowed to enter CSA sanctioned races. Wanting to get a new road frame, do I go for the newest technology and buy a disc frameset in the hope of a future rule change by the UCI? Or do I buy a "normal" frame and in two years or so upgrade to discs?
lechatnoir Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 I think that it is the other way around. If the pros really wanted to ride disks, the UCI would have agreed it long ago. Wasn't it just last season they were also asking for safety after all those moto crashes... just sayin'...
eddy Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 A do I go for the newest technology and buy a disc frameset in the hope of a future rule change by the UCI? Or do I buy a "normal" frame and in two years or so upgrade to discs? I get your dilemma. I was faced with the same question and ended up buying neither ! In an ideal world, disk brakes would not be seen as newest technology and rim brakes as old, but as complementary modern technology. But marketing departments are driving the move and I believe that in the fullness of time all new mass market bikes will be equipped with disks. However, because the benefits are far less clear than on MTBs and the drawbacks more significant, I think that rim brakes will co-exist for many years and possibly in perpetuity. Anyway, my next road frame will be a Pegoretti or one from David Kirk. One day.....
Frosty Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 Not a statement from my side, but more a question reading between the lines with the newer discs being roundedBy statement, I meant a press release by the UCI - not your "statement".
carbon29er Posted January 23, 2017 Posted January 23, 2017 The PROs definitely need them with the time volume they spend in the saddleThe average amateur doing a century race a handful of times in the warm months - not necessary hey The tricky part will come when some have this trendy update in my race bunch and some doesn't Does that mean you are not prepared to test them before telling us they are not needed?
LOOK695 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Posted January 24, 2017 https://www.bikerumor.com/2017/01/24/rounded-rotors-shimano-satisfying-uci-pro-peloton/
'Dale Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 I can chill my opinion in a blink ..... http://road.cc/sites/default/files/styles/main_width/public/cannondale-supersix-evo-disc-full-bike.jpg?itok=aOXAXLv9
carbon29er Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 I can chill my opinion in a blink ..... But still not prepared to actually RIDE before you advise they are not needed? It's really a very simple question O Apostrophe'd One.
'Dale Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 But still not prepared to actually RIDE before you advise they are not needed? It's really a very simple question O Apostrophe'd One. You presume I have not test ridden one, O Carbonated One
carbon29er Posted January 24, 2017 Posted January 24, 2017 You presume I have not test ridden one, O Carbonated One I do indeed. As I'm wrong I'd be interested in your opinion on why you don't rate disc brakes on the road.
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