geoffois Posted January 14, 2017 Posted January 14, 2017 Great post. Very articulate thank you. I re read yr research posted on the other thread an disagree with yr interpretation. There a large difference between non head related injuries between oz an Netherlands. I believe yr interpretation is incorrect unless you have additional findings. You guys are talking bout accident rate. Most cycle related accidents are unreported thus not measurable. My point has never been around accident rates BUT injury rates. On another note, today early morning was perfect cycling conditions an I cycled a nice loop down to Hendrix potgieter an into cradle. Nice an overcast an lil drizzle now an again. Most cyclists wore helmets an most cyclists had no lights of any kind. To my mind this is bloody stupid. Nice day out. Just one thing ous, only one beer each at the pro helmet meeting hey. Pint eachApologies, perhaps my point came across wrong. I have no interpretation on that study. The non-cranial injuries were not the end point of the study and thus were not looked at in the same comparative frame work as the head injuries. So I agree that there should, perhaps, be a follow up on the non-cranial injuries but we can make no assumptions, interpretations, inferences or conclusions regarding anything that was not the focus of the trial. All we can say is that in cohort comparison, head injury severity was lower, as a group, when a helmet was worn. Are there more efficient ways to decrease injuries as a whole like a flashing light, cycle lanes, road closures during events, follow cars when riding in groups...? Sure, but even if those are employed, if you have an accident (whatever the mechanism) the use of a helmet will decrease head injury severity. I agree that people don't necessarily make use of other technologies that may decrease their risk of injury or accident, but like I said, that is a different discussion with different studies and different variables. Just as an example, how many people remove wheel and bike reflectors? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Patchelicious Posted January 16, 2017 Author Posted January 16, 2017 Saw this earlier, thought it was appropriate to post on this and some other threads: The problem with hyperskeptics isn't that they "just ask questions", but that they don't believe fully-justified answers.
SwissVan Posted January 16, 2017 Posted January 16, 2017 No light and car hits you from the back...helmets isn't gona do much to save you. no research required for this statement...i have just been going through pics of the accident on the M4 were Jared and Richard where killed...both were wearing helmets. the only catch is they both had lights on the back of their bikes...in fact Jared had new lights fitted to his wheels which lit up the entire wheel...the ships passing along the coast could see him.Conversely, no light is going to save the skin on your pip and stop the fluid leaking out when you fall on your head, which was what my post referred to..... helmets protecting the head in ANY kind of fall. Ships hey.... impressive lights ????
Patchelicious Posted January 16, 2017 Author Posted January 16, 2017 Having a light or no light has little bearing on the effectiveness of a helmet. A helmet comes into play in the event of accident, a light is supposed to help prevent said accident. If we need to have a discussion about accident prevention, then we can. But this is about the effectivity of helmets.
Patchelicious Posted March 1, 2017 Author Posted March 1, 2017 So if I wasn't wearing my helmet yesterday, I'm am pretty certain that I would have sustained a head injury.
RocknRolla Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 What happened? Shall we change you hub handle to roadrashelicious? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
BigTom Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 So if I wasn't wearing my helmet yesterday, I'm am pretty certain that I would have sustained a head injury. Glad you were wearing your helmet! Are you ok otherwise? And please tell me you are not going to use that helmet again!
Pure Savage Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 Glad you were wearing your helmet! Are you ok otherwise? And please tell me you are not going to use that helmet again!He is selling it on classifieds, slightly used.. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Patchelicious Posted March 1, 2017 Author Posted March 1, 2017 He is selling it on classifieds, slightly used.. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkHelmet is for sale too. "As new, Minor scratch"
BigTom Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 He is selling it on classifieds, slightly used.. I think by common hub usage that could be called brand new
Rocket-Boy Posted March 1, 2017 Posted March 1, 2017 Went slightly off a single track about a year ago and hit an anthill hidden in the long grass which resulted in an instant endo right into a tree.Picture a horizontal person colliding with a tree, head first.Helmet was toast, neck was sore and there was a solid branch broken clean off the tree. While I dont think it would have been life threatening Im sure it would have been pretty bad. Helmets are like seatbelts in the car, if you dont have them on it just feels wrong.
carbon29er Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 Sanity as first European country abolishes compulsory helmet law. http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/bosnia-becomes-first-country-to-repeal-a-cycle-helmet-law/020827 Bosnia becomes first country to repeal a cycle helmet lawThis returns the focus from reducing the consequences of crashes, to minimizing the causes of traffic crashes. That line says it all.
coppi Posted March 2, 2017 Posted March 2, 2017 Sanity as first European country abolishes compulsory helmet law. http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/bosnia-becomes-first-country-to-repeal-a-cycle-helmet-law/020827 Bosnia becomes first country to repeal a cycle helmet lawThis returns the focus from reducing the consequences of crashes, to minimizing the causes of traffic crashes. That line says it all.I think BOSNIA have bigger issues to worry about...................
Patchelicious Posted March 2, 2017 Author Posted March 2, 2017 Sanity as first European country abolishes compulsory helmet law. http://www.bikebiz.com/news/read/bosnia-becomes-first-country-to-repeal-a-cycle-helmet-law/020827 Bosnia becomes first country to repeal a cycle helmet lawThis returns the focus from reducing the consequences of crashes, to minimizing the causes of traffic crashes. That line says it all.Again, why not focus on BOTH! Minimize cause AND minimize consequence. You don't need to sacrifice one for the other.
Patchelicious Posted March 2, 2017 Author Posted March 2, 2017 I think BOSNIA have bigger issues to worry about...................As do we!
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