How to stop the Cycling Carnage on SA's roads?

[Napalm]

I've been involved in races where road closures was achieved - with far less of a budget than the GH has. The organiser has to take the majority of the blame in this - but as a cyclist the rider was also in the wrong. The only way to ride is to assume everyone on the roads are idiots, and is actively trying to kill you.

 

I do feel that it's only a matter of time before a rider gets killed in one of these events.

['Dale]

Holy cow!!

 

 

 

If ever I've seen a miracle or just a solid dose of good fortune in one moment, then this is it.

[Gen]

If ever I've seen a miracle or just a solid dose of good fortune in one moment, then this is it.

Some serious bike handling skills as well.. those TT bikes aren't the easiest bikes to handle

[Frosty]

if there is enough reason in a post, no one even notices the spelingz

Ze grammar nazi in me insists I set ze example.

[Frosty]

If you organize an event and claim it to have UCI status, promote the UCI status and charge entry fees accordingly, then UCI rules must apply, all of them.

 

UCI Rules for ITT states;

 

"Course

 

2.4.002 The course shall be safe and perfectly signposted.

 

2.4.003 From the start of the race, the circuit may be used only by the riders in the race and the vehicles following such riders."

 

The issue and blame here should be in full on the organisers for not closing the road.  (I agree the truck probably didn't know Rohan would be turning left etc, but the truck shouldn't have been there to start off with.)  

 

If you can't close the road as per UCI requirements, then it's not a UCI event and then you don't host the event, you cancel it.  Else UCI should impose a fine on the organisers, as they do with dopers, which are also breaking the rules.

 

You cannot twist the UCI rules to suit your needs ( A "Race Bible" as the organizers call it is really only for information purposes, not a substitude for UCI rules )

 

Just imagine this happening at a world tour UCI event

It's not on the UCI calendar, so it's not a sanctioned UCI event.

 

It should be a CyclingSA sanctioned event, but it doesn't show on the CSA events website. This could be that it has already started, and all historical events aren't showing.

 

Reference should be made to the CyclingSA rules, which in turn have to reference the UCI rules.

 

edit: forgot to attach the UCI calendar for RSA.

[eddy]

Just before he swerves left there some gentle hooting.

 

What was that for? Telling him to turn or what?

[Napalm]

The CSA calendar process is so dodgy it's not even funny. There were plans to do everything online, make the process transparent, but clearly someone didn't like that prospect.

[Slowbee]

now to correct all my spelling/ errors before I assign myself to the <50%

only if you know how to use excel.... trolling.....

[Slowbee]

back to topic.

 

the last time a video was posted of a truck overtaking in a race, emails were being sent to the truck owners asking for an explanation. All hell was breaking loose that the truck driver nearly caused the death of a few cyclists. It was a race so the cyclists were allowed to behave in the prescribed manner.

 

Now! Here we have a truck AND car driver behaving miscreantly but no one is wanting to email their bosses. The cyclist being in an official race must have been allowed to behave in the prescribed manner. But what about the vehicles. Surely we need to crucify them as well.

 

Hub logic amazes me at times and the amazes me at times again.

[Patchelicious]

back to topic.

 

the last time a video was posted of a truck overtaking in a race, emails were being sent to the truck owners asking for an explanation. All hell was breaking loose that the truck driver nearly caused the death of a few cyclists. It was a race so the cyclists were allowed to behave in the prescribed manner.

 

Now! Here we have a truck AND car driver behaving miscreantly but no one is wanting to email their bosses. The cyclist being in an official race must have been allowed to behave in the prescribed manner. But what about the vehicles. Surely we need to crucify them as well.

 

Hub logic amazes me at times and the amazes me at times again.

Exactly, last time you Kakked on the people for suggesting that the bosses get mailed.

 

Now they don't and you STILL moan... no pleasing you Hub logic amazes me at times

[Slowbee]

Exactly, last time you Kakked on the people for suggesting that the bosses get mailed.

 

Now they don't and you STILL moan... no pleasing you Hub logic amazes me at times

egggggggzzzzzaaccckkkktterlly !

 

 

but I did not kakked on them. I whinged. Like now.

[Eldron]

For me it all comes down to everything!

 

Most drivers are not cyclists so they aren't aware/ don't care.

There is little to no cycling infrastructure so car/bicycle interactions will happen often and have almost always have poor out comes.

General lack of respect for the law - motorists/cyclists/tax payers/everyone.

Me me me me - ****you mate - it's about MEMEMEMEME attitude.

 

Over here In Copenhagen drivers are super aware and super polite. Children ride bikes on the road (bike lane) from an early age. Most people are cyclists. There is respect for cyclists. And motorists. And each other.

 

Hell - I've done some dumb things on a bicycle here and motorists don't hoot or throw toys - the worst I've experienced is a really dirty look! Cycling on the wrong side of the road where there is a pavement then cycle lane then bus lane then car lane gets complicated! Hell I've even seen a road with all the above AND a horse lane!

 

Personally I think the best way to fix the carnage in SA is to buy a mountain bike and only do ride on the road when there is full road closure during a race or in really safe areas (like Suikerbosrand, The Cradle etc). Even the cradle is getting a bit dodge.

 

Sounds really negative of me but I think too much is wrong to fix and cyclist are the most vulnerable road users. We die/get seriously injured in any road accident.

[Serious Panda]

...way to fix the carnage in SA is to buy a mountain bike and only do ride on the road when there is full road closure during a race or in really safe areas (like Suikerbosrand, The Cradle etc). Even the cradle is getting a bit dodge.

 

Sounds really negative of me but I think too much is wrong to fix and cyclist are the most vulnerable road users. We die/get seriously injured in any road accident

 

This is the sad truth

[L46]

It's not on the UCI calendar, so it's not a sanctioned UCI event.

 

It should be a CyclingSA sanctioned event, but it doesn't show on the CSA events website. This could be that it has already started, and all historical events aren't showing.

 

Reference should be made to the CyclingSA rules, which in turn have to reference the UCI rules.

 

edit: forgot to attach the UCI calendar for RSA.

UCI calendar.PNG

 

 

If you organize an event and claim it to have UCI status, promote the UCI status and charge entry fees accordingly, then UCI rules must apply, all of them.

 

UCI Rules for ITT states;

 

"Course

 

2.4.002 The course shall be safe and perfectly signposted.

 

2.4.003 From the start of the race, the circuit may be used only by the riders in the race and the vehicles following such riders."

 

The issue and blame here should be in full on the organisers for not closing the road.  (I agree the truck probably didn't know Rohan would be turning left etc, but the truck shouldn't have been there to start off with.)  

 

If you can't close the road as per UCI requirements, then it's not a UCI event and then you don't host the event, you cancel it.  Else UCI should impose a fine on the organisers, as they do with dopers, which are also breaking the rules.

 

You cannot twist the UCI rules to suit your needs ( A "Race Bible" as the organizers call it is really only for information purposes, not a substitude for UCI rules )

 

Just imagine this happening at a world tour UCI event

  

I agree with you Gerald, also couldn't find it on the UCI calendar...

 

BUT

 

I remember this being advertised as a UCI event by the organisers and just yesterday this official Facebook post was made by the organisers regarding timing issues:

 

"NOTE FROM THE ORGANISERS:

Hi everyone.

As stated in all of our pre-race correspondence, results in a multistage UCI sanctioned road event is not timing – as we’re used to with all of our traditional single-day mass participation events..."

 

So to get back to the point.

a). If it is a UCI event, then all UCI rules must apply.

b). If it is not a UCI event, then it was false advertising from the organisers and participants should lodge complaints and claims against the organisers for using the UCI to market the event.  Like buying a BMW but getting a Mahindra interior.  I know this is irrelevant to the safety discussion and probably a discussion for another day but just making a point.

 

But yes I agree with your line of thinking.

[B-eezy]

We need more cyclists. Not lycra clad weekend warriors, but people actually commuting on a daily basis.

 

Motorists/pedestrians often don't see us, they aren't used to looking out us.

 

On Sat I encountered a group of riders overtaking pretty dangerously on a fast corner, a pedestrian stepping into the road to take a photo, had to evade a car on chappies that was avoiding an oncoming cyclist, almost got taken out by a cyclist not being able to clip and stepping out into the road, a cyclist trying to get into a pedestrian crossing waving to his friends. 

 

Perhaps stiffer fines would do something to make motorists more vigilant, but what about the pedestrians and non-commuter cyclists with zero spatial awareness?

[Pure Savage]

Riders were told that there were not full roads closures, they listened to the briefing. 

 

All I can think is that cyclist thought he had a support car watching his back, support car was too busy on social media and not watching traffic.

 

I am very glad this did not end badly.