What is the PPA doing?

[Wannabe]

apologies

 

I was (poorly) referring to your comment RE "It could all be one big "MEC Dinner/Meeting" for all we know" ... I know you are kind of joking, because you used a ... but not all people who frequent this thread would take it with a pinch of salt....

 

 

Maybe, just maybe, there may be a bit of truth in that.     

[Hairy]

Maybe, just maybe, there may be a bit of truth in that.     

you may be onto something

[carbon29er]

So let me put this out there.

 

To all people moaning about the PPA being so terrible ..... 

• are you a paying member?
• if yes, are you contributing positive criticism, or just plain inflammatory and caustic comments intended to deface the current PPA ship?
• if no, are you engaging on another level to assist in road safety, or other facets of cycling that benefits the greater cycling community?
• have you taken up your displeasure directly with those steering the PPA (in a constructive manner)
• not everything can be how you as an individual would like to see the PPA operating

What is the Budget this year for 2017 Cycling Safety?

 

 

I have heard through the grapevine that the 2017 budget is rather large for safe cycling and cycling development ... will see if I can get a better rough figure that is clearer than "rather large"

 

 

Ok, so I understand that the screen shot posted reflects a change in how the spend was reported. Actual vs budget.

 

The 2016/2017 budget for safe cycling is around the R3.3m mark with development cycling at the R2.2m mark. Total Allocation = R5,439mil

 

So not all gloom and doom?

Interesting information fed to you by your buddies at PPA.

 

Only thing is most of it is wrong. Did you check any of the numbers you were given with FACTS.

 

I'll give you some facts:

 

When the stay wider campaign was launched the budget for Cycling Safety was R2.5 million. That was in financial year 2014/2015. We made shirts and made a small profit on each shirt sold which was spent in the campaign.

 

We spent all of that amount on the Stay Wider campaign mainly on radio where our ambassadors, amongst them DJ Fresh, the late Gugu Zulu, Joel Stransky and Suga, gave their time and recorded ads for the campaign.

 

The ads flighted over the weekends in the morning when people were driving and we were cycling. It's called target marketing AT MOTORISTS.

 

My committee and I asked for an increased budget for 2015/2016 to increase the number of radio stations and the frequency of the ads.  And we proposed a big spend in MOTORING and topical magazines to reach drivers who don't have cyclists in their family or friend circles. And we proposed moving billboards on taxis which are highly visible on the roads where motorists are.  We asked PPA to fund this huge drive from reserves and getting outside sponsors.

 

The thinking was go big to build on the first year spend and reach critical mass with motorists.

 

Unfortunately Exco rejected the budget on the basis that the PPA must break even.

 

Committee members changed and the Safe Cycling campaign spent a total of R1.5 million. The price of shirts was dropped so they were sold at a loss which was included in the total spend.

 

What you say is a screen shot of actual v budget is actually the AFS for 2015 and 2016.  These were analysed in detail when published last year on another thread. In addition the figure for 2015 changed from the actual for 2015 when audited in 2015 for the comparatives in 2016 to include an item that was marketing in 2015, being membership ICE bracelets.

 

Fast forward to 2016/2017 where you say you heard on the grapevine, I assume a call or email from a senior PPA employee, the budget is rather large and then state it to be R3.3 million.

 

I do not have access to the budget but I have been informed by more than two Exco members what the budget and spend is.

 

Fact is the budget for 2016/2017 is R2.5 million and the massive amount of R657,000 was spent in the half year to December 31 2016.

 

And in January the PPA handed out free drinks and arm bands to cyclists on Chappies.  Has anyone heard a radio spot or seen anything in a magazine this year?

 

Cyclists are not the problem. It's motorists driving into cyclists that are killing cyclists.  There is no point targeting cyclists, we already know we are vulnerable.

 

So I suggest, Hairy, next time you do the bidding for someone at PPA, publish that fact that you have been given inside information and check what you are being told is actually true.

['Dale]

Cool insightful perspective there, carbon'.

[Sharkie 2]

The basic rules of the road are already there. Problem is no one wants to follow them and that includes us. We have a **** road use culture in SA and it all starts there.

 

I have been working in the UK for a month now. I am getting my commuting bicycle next week and will be commuting to work daily even in the crappy weather.

 

The whole system really works here. Yes a lot of contributing factors to this but people adhere to the road rules and this is the basic.

 

Cyclists have lights on their bikes and use them day or night. It is law here as in SA that you must have a light front and back on your bike at night. All follow the road rules.Stop at traffic lights etc. 

 

Vehicles, busses included only pass you when safe to do so. I believe the main reason this system works so well barring the rules is people have consideration for each other and respect each others rights for road use, no one is better than the next! Accidents still do happen, people are involved so that is to expected, the human factor that can not be taken out of the situation.

 

Cars older than 3 years need to pass a MOT test. This is rather cheap but if your vehicle does not pass then you get a time period to get your vehicle in order to pass or the vehicle is taken off the road and destroyed(not I have a connection and this and that and the next day the vehicle has its MOT). The law does run its course in more ways than one and people are punished, fines and prison time.

 

The UK uses the de-merit points system on driver licences. Each vehicle also needs to have 3rd party insurance, it is law as well. So if you are a reckless and negligent driver with speeding fines etc then you get de-merits and this affects your insurance profile and you pay more for insurance yearly. You can easily get your license taken away and then you have to redo the whole process of getting your license and this cost is easily £1500. 

 

No one is seen as above another here. Respect is shown for everyone. People are not above the law and corruption is very low. Traffic officers and police follow protocol when incidents occur and road blocks take place. They take pride in their work and the country really appreciates this, they have the respect of the country.

 

Drunken driving in SA is to easy. Everyone abuses this. From the p1ss drunk oke killing a cyclist/pedestrian to me and you that have two beers and drive home. If you have alcohol in your system your senses and judgement is affected.

 

South Africa can turn this around, many systems in the world we can adopt and implement. But it starts with each one of us.

[Patchelicious]

When someone with facts arrive and ruin the party.... nice insight Carbon.

[Hairy]

Interesting information fed to you by your buddies at PPA.

 

Only thing is most of it is wrong. Did you check any of the numbers you were given with FACTS.

 

I'll give you some facts:

 

When the stay wider campaign was launched the budget for Cycling Safety was R2.5 million. That was in financial year 2014/2015. We made shirts and made a small profit on each shirt sold which was spent in the campaign.

 

We spent all of that amount on the Stay Wider campaign mainly on radio where our ambassadors, amongst them DJ Fresh, the late Gugu Zulu, Joel Stransky and Suga, gave their time and recorded ads for the campaign.

 

The ads flighted over the weekends in the morning when people were driving and we were cycling. It's called target marketing AT MOTORISTS.

 

My committee and I asked for an increased budget for 2015/2016 to increase the number of radio stations and the frequency of the ads. And we proposed a big spend in MOTORING and topical magazines to reach drivers who don't have cyclists in their family or friend circles. And we proposed moving billboards on taxis which are highly visible on the roads where motorists are. We asked PPA to fund this huge drive from reserves and getting outside sponsors.

 

The thinking was go big to build on the first year spend and reach critical mass with motorists.

 

Unfortunately Exco rejected the budget on the basis that the PPA must break even.

 

Committee members changed and the Safe Cycling campaign spent a total of R1.5 million. The price of shirts was dropped so they were sold at a loss which was included in the total spend.

 

What you say is a screen shot of actual v budget is actually the AFS for 2015 and 2016. These were analysed in detail when published last year on another thread. In addition the figure for 2015 changed from the actual for 2015 when audited in 2015 for the comparatives in 2016 to include an item that was marketing in 2015, being membership ICE bracelets.

 

Fast forward to 2016/2017 where you say you heard on the grapevine, I assume a call or email from a senior PPA employee, the budget is rather large and then state it to be R3.3 million.

 

I do not have access to the budget but I have been informed by more than two Exco members what the budget and spend is.

 

Fact is the budget for 2016/2017 is R2.5 million and the massive amount of R657,000 was spent in the half year to December 31 2016.

 

And in January the PPA handed out free drinks and arm bands to cyclists on Chappies. Has anyone heard a radio spot or seen anything in a magazine this year?

 

Cyclists are not the problem. It's motorists driving into cyclists that are killing cyclists. There is no point targeting cyclists, we already know we are vulnerable.

 

So I suggest, Hairy, next time you do the bidding for someone at PPA, publish that fact that you have been given inside information and check what you are being told is actually true.

you are also going on heresy re the most current budget as you too have not seen the actual figures on an official letter yet? !? So your facts for the new budget can also not be seen as facts ....the Same way you have said mine can't be.

 

My campaigning as you put it, has only cone about due to a very determined campaign by yourself and icycling ti run down the current ppa management because they are not steering the ship the way you want it to be steered.

I can't recall exactly who it was, but there was a campaign (this seems to be a trendy word) at the beginning of the managements term, an annominous letter discrediting the new management was being put in people's post boxes and then it was brought to everyone's attention be icycling (please let me know if i have this wrong and it was not icycling please.) That whole debacle just seems to have the same feel in every thread where you and icycling knock down the ppa.

 

Your radio campaign though is and was appreciated......maybe more so than the cycling shirts as I have seen rider's wearing these jump red traffic lights. ...while I was waiting to cross, on my bicycle.

 

So to be perfectly clear, if you want official figures, go to the source. If you are not a ppa member though, I do not see what your task basis is for you to demand to see the figures.

 

Peace, Love and happiness.

H

[Mamil]

This is the hub:

 

Cyclists die - we need to do something about this ...

 

OK........... argue.

 

I'm new here - and three years into cycling so I don't know all the political ins and outs of what looks like has been a rather fraught history with the PPA.

 

If the PPA's subs are indeed down then it is clear that the organisation is facing a crisis of relevance. The burning issue is safety - visible, strong, effective interventions required - otherwise their only domain of influence will be the marshaling of riders into seeded groups at events.

 

There are plenty of good ideas posted here - a good leader will harvest the best of them and create a coherent, three year plan, make it public and then start actioning it while reporting back to the people who mandate the action - that's us, the paying members.

 

 

 

This is the Hub:

Cyclist dies: "We need to do something abot this madness!!!!"

"Ok cool let's do something"........... crickets

[carbon29er]

you are also going on heresy re the most current budget as you too have not seen the actual figures on an official letter yet? !? So your facts for the new budget can also not be seen as facts ....the Same way you have said mine can't be.

 

My campaigning as you put it, has only cone about due to a very determined campaign by yourself and icycling ti run down the current ppa management because they are not steering the ship the way you want it to be steered.

I can't recall exactly who it was, but there was a campaign (this seems to be a trendy word) at the beginning of the managements term, an annominous letter discrediting the new management was being put in people's post boxes and then it was brought to everyone's attention be icycling (please let me know if i have this wrong and it was not icycling please.) That whole debacle just seems to have the same feel in every thread where you and icycling knock down the ppa.

 

Your radio campaign though is and was appreciated......maybe more so than the cycling shirts as I have seen rider's wearing these jump red traffic lights. ...while I was waiting to cross, on my bicycle.

 

So to be perfectly clear, if you want official figures, go to the source. If you are not a ppa member though, I do not see what your task basis is for you to demand to see the figures.

 

Peace, Love and happiness.

H

I'll admit I do have an agenda.

 

It's about making it safe for people to ride on our roads without the risk of getting killed or maimed by a motorist.

 

Nothing else really matters to me in cycling.

[Bloukrans]

I'll admit I do have an agenda.

 

It's about making it safe for people to ride on our roads without the risk of getting killed or maimed by a motorist.

 

Nothing else really matters to me in cycling.

Not true

 

What about the type and length of cycling socks

[Hairy]

I'll admit I do have an agenda.

 

It's about making it safe for people to ride on our roads without the risk of getting killed or maimed by a motorist.

 

Nothing else really matters to me in cycling.

then stick to the agenda, an agenda I would agree with.

[carbon29er]

Not true

 

What about the type and length of cycling socks

Touché, that's just noise.

 

But I did find these yesterday at my local PnP. I reckon I'd wheelsuck someone wearing these.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Touché, that's just noise.

 

But I did find these yesterday at my local PnP. I reckon I'd wheelsuck someone wearing these.

I read that a bit too fast... 

[Patchelicious]

then stick to the agenda, an agenda I would agree with.

If the PPA would disclose what their agenda and plans is to tackle the safety issue, it would much easier to stick the the agenda on hand, and perhaps even help rather than to speculate.

[Icycling]

you are also going on heresy re the most current budget as you too have not seen the actual figures on an official letter yet? !? So your facts for the new budget can also not be seen as facts ....the Same way you have said mine can't be.

 

My campaigning as you put it, has only cone about due to a very determined campaign by yourself and icycling ti run down the current ppa management because they are not steering the ship the way you want it to be steered.

I can't recall exactly who it was, but there was a campaign (this seems to be a trendy word) at the beginning of the managements term, an annominous letter discrediting the new management was being put in people's post boxes and then it was brought to everyone's attention be icycling (please let me know if i have this wrong and it was not icycling please.) That whole debacle just seems to have the same feel in every thread where you and icycling knock down the ppa.

 

Your radio campaign though is and was appreciated......maybe more so than the cycling shirts as I have seen rider's wearing these jump red traffic lights. ...while I was waiting to cross, on my bicycle.

 

So to be perfectly clear, if you want official figures, go to the source. If you are not a ppa member though, I do not see what your task basis is for you to demand to see the figures.

 

Peace, Love and happiness.

H

 

My main agenda is only to make the current committee spend money on where it came - road cycling. I have even gone as far as to say PPA budget should run in this manner: income form MTB cycling to be spent on MTB cycling, income on road cycling to be spent on road cycling. The Cape Town cycle tour is a road event - there is the Cape Town MTB challenge to raise money for MTB cycling (probably running at a loss). But I run a business not a charity - MTB cycling from a PPA perspective seems like charity to me. Road cycling has lost a lot - so much so PPA cannot really claim even to have a road calendar and not nearly what it was in the old days.

 

As I stated yesterday in the post "Bouckaert Soenen Paarl Road Race" at 17:49 before you made you allegation

 

"I see almost 1000 cyclist getting a time on race tec - well done (PPA)  for having a road race. Where on the PPA calendar do you see 1000 cyclist timed at a MTB event. Remember the Cape Town MTB challenge is not on the PPA calendar!

 

PPA should start doing what the majority of their active members want them to do. - road cycling."

 

Be honest MTB / table mountain mountain bike club has Hi Jacked PPA. As a road "racing snake" I really don't trust PPA anymore - they started to drop the ball when they decided to drop the Giro del Capo - and continued to drop the ball once they dropped the league. To get my support back will take some time.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

I'll admit I do have an agenda.

 

It's about making it safe for people to ride on our roads without the risk of getting killed or maimed by a motorist.

 

Nothing else really matters to me in cycling.

Just a q - does not then Rob's mail (in the initial post) make sense? Engaging with local gov't to try and sort something out?

 

Or in your opinion is that just more noise?

 

Just asking. Seems we've gone full circle, almost. 

 

FWIW I agree that there should be more transparency...