Race number print @ home

[Spinnekop]

Reality :

 

Entrant : Go online, choose the print option, get to race day and admin ask, so where your number.  O sorry, I thought print means you print it. (Noone reads entry systems)

 

Admin person. Please go to that desk so they can print a number for you .

 

So this just caused another queue , another admin station, more power points (printer etc etc)

 

I work with this stuff daily.   Do not ever think anyone even remotely reads what is on a screen, they simply next next till end and then have hissy fit if they don't get what they thought they getting.

Then they must "pay" for their stupidity/ignorance.  

It will only take ONE race for them to understand and start reading.

[Karman de Lange]

Then they must "pay" for their stupidity/ignorance.  

It will only take ONE race for them to understand and start reading.

 

Nope .... They never learn and simply demand money back....  You don't understand the stupidity of some users.

[Spinnekop]

Taking JA-Q001's comments as well as various comments into consideration.......

 

The main reason why there are number pickups are CSA.

That is what the organisers told me the last time I moaned at a person at the tables.

 

CSA does not know if you have a license or not and that is why you will ALWAYS, as a licensed rider, have to pick up your number.

 

And that ladies and gents are the dinosaur thinking and race organisation that we are "fighting" against.  

[Spinnekop]

Nope .... They never learn and simply demand money back....  You don't understand the stupidity of some users.

okay....so let's just continue as is........makes more sense than to cater of the mass stupid people.  

[Karman de Lange]

Well, just a thought.

 

Ok, so imagine events company get hold of a specific type of paper/material, that can run through a normal printer and is strong enough to use in races.

 

They do a deal with A LOT of cycle shops, so the LBS buys the paper from them, enabling ANY LBS that has affiliated with the events company to be able to print your number for you. 

 

You get a bar-code, go to LBS (closest to where you are) let them scan this and get your data from their system. Bobs your uncle, you have an official race number that you can collect at your LBS. The LBS gets the extra feet in before the event, so gets more business. 

 

Licenced riders get a permanent CSA number that is used by the events company and can be printed at the LBS. The racing numbers are also printed at the LBS and just uses your permanent number. You have 1 frame number for the year.

 

So now your LBS have to pay  a license fee to all the online system to allow them to verify that orginisations barcode.  In WC there about 10? such online systems, so each LBS must pay 10 license fees to print the barcode.

 

Also each event orginizers system use his own type of barcode, or even SAME barcode so you might get number for wrong event.

 

Unless someone invent a cycling system like ASA (athletics SA) who centrally allocated each person a number once a year from a central DB out of a pre allocated pool of numbers per region/club, we will simply have to get our numbers at registration at the first event of that orginiation.

 

If someone bored and want to create said central system, drop me PM I know someone that know someone (Creators of said ASA system). 

[Pure Savage]

The reason some events have number collection is sometimes to get participants into sponsors shops or to give sponsors exposure. Hard when you print at home.

 

 

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[CharlesZ]

The reason some events have number collection is sometimes to get participants into sponsors shops or to give sponsors exposure. Hard when you print at home.

 

 

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or to increase the sales of the shop. Why don't cycle events ask to have the number collection at sportmans warehouse or complete cycles. They wont as it will have an affect on Cyclelabs sales, same company. The same as ASG events are doing now to have the number collections at ASG concept stores. 

[madmarc]

Taking JA-Q001's comments as well as various comments into consideration.......

 

The main reason why there are number pickups are CSA.

That is what the organisers told me the last time I moaned at a person at the tables.

 

CSA does not know if you have a license or not and that is why you will ALWAYS, as a licensed rider, have to pick up your number.

 

And that ladies and gents are the dinosaur thinking and race organisation that we are "fighting" against.  

 

If I understand you correctly - Number collection is enforced by CSA so the organizers can check your license.

 

I been doing races since 1998 and only ever asked to present my lic twice and that was years ago.

 

I haven't had a lic for the last 5 years and entered many races including stage races - so clearly it doesn't work.

[Pure Savage]

or to increase the sales of the shop. Why don't cycle events ask to have the number collection at sportmans warehouse or complete cycles. They wont as it will have an affect on Cyclelabs sales, same company. The same as ASG events are doing now to have the number collections at ASG concept stores.

Yeah, sportsman’s or ASG sponsor this event and in return registration is there and they make some bucks. Win win.

[Frosty]

Finding it hard to stay away from discussing anything because I’m on both sides of the fence. I agree that a permanent number is needed, have proposed it and... well, it requires change from people that don’t want change, so no guessing why the current system is still in play. But I also disagree with some points that it’s easy for an organiser to implement this or that. Many races rely on volunteers, so not sure where all these extra people will pop up from to assist with batch checking at the start.

 

But when assumptions are being made that are contrary to the facts, it’s hard to keep quiet, so here’s some facts:

 

CycleLab and CycleEvents are not part of the same company. CE happens to operate out the same building as CL.

 

CE is a non-profit organisation under the Cycle Tour Trust. CL is the cycling division of the MoreCorp Group (who also own the Pro Shop).

 

CycleLab wants feet through the door - that’s a fact. But not all races host number collection at CL. Deals are made with them to secure prizes for lucky draws, charity draws and more. If some races can’t get that right then they probably suck at negotiating.

 

CSA officials do have a laptop, at registration, with the list of valid licensed riders. Try getting a number from them without a licence. They will push those entrants into the open groups. The reason they don’t ask for a licence could be that they know the riders that are regulars in the licensed categories. Don’t blame the organisers for an arrangement the officials enforce.

 

The officials are not CSA employees - but volunteers that officiate at a cycle race. They outsource their services to the organiser and aren’t pid by CSA at all. They only have to enforce the rules for the licensed groups and are not interested in matters happening in the open groups.

 

IMO, The governing body (CSA) is the one that needs to manage and issue permanent numbers. One number that is used for the year, but we all know that won’t happen any time soon - a reason I’m not giving them R750 to become a member. Happy to support a few races raising funds for charity, and a few others offering value for money, and having to ride in the alphabet groups.

 

 

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[TALUS]

Finding it hard to stay away from discussing anything because I’m on both sides of the fence. I agree that a permanent number is needed, have proposed it and... well, it requires change from people that don’t want change, so no guessing why the current system is still in play. But I also disagree with some points that it’s easy for an organiser to implement this or that. Many races rely on volunteers, so not sure where all these extra people will pop up from to assist with batch checking at the start.

But when assumptions are being made that are contrary to the facts, it’s hard to keep quiet, so here’s some facts:

CycleLab and CycleEvents are not part of the same company. CE happens to operate out the same building as CL.

CE is a non-profit organisation under the Cycle Tour Trust. CL is the cycling division of the MoreCorp Group (who also own the Pro Shop).

CycleLab wants feet through the door - that’s a fact. But not all races host number collection at CL. Deals are made with them to secure prizes for lucky draws, charity draws and more. If some races can’t get that right then they probably suck at negotiating.

CSA officials do have a laptop, at registration, with the list of valid licensed riders. Try getting a number from them without a licence. They will push those entrants into the open groups. The reason they don’t ask for a licence could be that they know the riders that are regulars in the licensed categories. Don’t blame the organisers for an arrangement the officials enforce.

The officials are not CSA employees - but volunteers that officiate at a cycle race. They outsource their services to the organiser and aren’t pid by CSA at all. They only have to enforce the rules for the licensed groups and are not interested in matters happening in the open groups.

IMO, The governing body (CSA) is the one that needs to manage and issue permanent numbers. One number that is used for the year, but we all know that won’t happen any time soon - a reason I’m not giving them R750 to become a member. Happy to support a few races raising funds for charity, and a few others offering value for money, and having to ride in the alphabet groups.

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The calm voice of reason.

[Spinnekop]

The reason some events have number collection is sometimes to get participants into sponsors shops or to give sponsors exposure. Hard when you print at home.

 

 

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Myself and MANY of my friends make a point of it to NEVER support a sponsor forcing me to drive 100km in Jhb traffic to fetch a piece of paper.

 

There are other ways to get my attention

[Spinnekop]

Finding it hard to stay away from discussing anything because I’m on both sides of the fence. I agree that a permanent number is needed, have proposed it and... well, it requires change from people that don’t want change, so no guessing why the current system is still in play. But I also disagree with some points that it’s easy for an organiser to implement this or that. Many races rely on volunteers, so not sure where all these extra people will pop up from to assist with batch checking at the start.

 

But when assumptions are being made that are contrary to the facts, it’s hard to keep quiet, so here’s some facts:

 

CycleLab and CycleEvents are not part of the same company. CE happens to operate out the same building as CL.

 

CE is a non-profit organisation under the Cycle Tour Trust. CL is the cycling division of the MoreCorp Group (who also own the Pro Shop).

 

CycleLab wants feet through the door - that’s a fact. But not all races host number collection at CL. Deals are made with them to secure prizes for lucky draws, charity draws and more. If some races can’t get that right then they probably suck at negotiating.

 

CSA officials do have a laptop, at registration, with the list of valid licensed riders. Try getting a number from them without a licence. They will push those entrants into the open groups. The reason they don’t ask for a licence could be that they know the riders that are regulars in the licensed categories. Don’t blame the organisers for an arrangement the officials enforce.

 

The officials are not CSA employees - but volunteers that officiate at a cycle race. They outsource their services to the organiser and aren’t pid by CSA at all. They only have to enforce the rules for the licensed groups and are not interested in matters happening in the open groups.

 

IMO, The governing body (CSA) is the one that needs to manage and issue permanent numbers. One number that is used for the year, but we all know that won’t happen any time soon - a reason I’m not giving them R750 to become a member. Happy to support a few races raising funds for charity, and a few others offering value for money, and having to ride in the alphabet groups.

 

 

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So my question is.

 

Why did it change.  

It worked.  WIth a permanent race number.  Why did the "system" change?

 

My take.

94.7 started using chips. First CC then Racetec

They were the only race with goody bags and expos.

 

This created data.

Data was captured and used for seeding for world funride champs.  The August in March

 

Every other race organsier wanted "in" on this system where people will want to participate to up their seeding.

Cyclelab hopped on board with a seeding system.  When it was still a small co.

Seeding system / entry system / lets get feet into the shops.  

It has evolved since.

 

So this "monster" was created and now everyone is just using it because it is convenient and not thinking is required.

[Cav']

I'll even be prepared to pay the organizers to post me my number.

[scotty]

Wasn't there a courier option at some time where for a small fee you could have your number delivered.  

[Skubarra]

Myself and MANY of my friends make a point of it to NEVER support a sponsor forcing me to drive 100km in Jhb traffic to fetch a piece of paper.

 

There are other ways to get my attention

 

Yeah, why don't the stupid sponsors just bugger off, we don't need them!

 

Just ask Advendurance