Stupak Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Thanks guys - It seems the consensus is to change the tires out and get fitter for now ..Which is a good thing! **Sorry i should have made it clear, i'm in no way able to afford both my Tallboy and another expensive bike. I love my Tallboy to bits and don't want to change it as its super nice and comfortable which is why i was asking the question
Stupak Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Agreed. Being an XL will dilute the effect of an XC bike. Lower hanging fruit would be skill course, fitness and XC tyres. BUT if this is an attempt at a justification for WANTING a new bike, then we must be honest about it Thanks - No I don't want a new bike at all - more just wanting confirmation that a different bike WONT make much of a difference and that is is actually more tires and overall fitness which will make the difference
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Thanks - No I don't want a new bike at all - more just wanting confirmation that a different bike WONT make much of a difference and that is is actually more tires and overall fitness which will make the difference This will make a much bigger difference than the newer / more XC focussed bike.
Patchelicious Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Thanks - No I don't want a new bike at all - more just wanting confirmation that a different bike WONT make much of a difference and that is is actually more tires and overall fitness which will make the difference
Grease_Monkey Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Thanks - No I don't want a new bike at all - more just wanting confirmation that a different bike WONT make much of a difference and that is is actually more tires and overall fitness which will make the difference Well then mission accomplished - nothing like peer consensus to help you justify what you have or what you want. Can't tell you how many times I have bought something bike related only to go and search for reviews and forum posts that tell me I've made the right choice hahaha. But in all seriousness, a tall boy with XC tyres is capable of podiums in the right hands - and one thing is for sure, you're gonna have allot more fun on a tall boy than an out and out race bike.
Stupak Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Well then mission accomplished - nothing like peer consensus to help you justify what you have or what you want. Can't tell you how many times I have bought something bike related only to go and search for reviews and forum posts that tell me I've made the right choice hahaha. But in all seriousness, a tall boy with XC tyres is capable of podiums in the right hands - and one thing is for sure, you're gonna have allot more fun on a tall boy than an out and out race bike.Haha, but this time peer consensus has been a good thing Def going to stick with the Tallboy and change out the tires..... and get a lot fitter Maybe one day I can update the tread that i actually won something haha
Li Mu Bai Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 I get the sarcasm - I know it is an absolutely fantastic bike, and i'm extremely lucky to have it - there should be nothing to complain about, but its not built for XC / Marathon racing ? But them i'm looking at something like the Nissan TrailSeeker, or Magalies Monster - I'm averaging around 1.5kph slower than the winner. So obviously fitness is no.1 priority, but marginal gains here can make a difference?Why is it not built for Marathon or XC racing?Of course you can use the Tallboy for marathon racing.I have been racing mine for years. Different bikes have different geometries, EPIC and SPARK are much more aggressive in terms of their style/geometry. That doesnt mean you are going to go faster of have more fun.Worry about getting properly fit, lose weight, and your speed will increase as your power to weight ratio increases.Learn to climb better/faster - most races are won or lost on climbs and in the technical rock gardensCycling is a wonderful endless pit to throw your money in. If you are super serious about marginal gains you will probably want a hardtail once you have eaked out every last fitness drop and cut you weight to skin and bone.
GrahamS2 Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Makes complete sense especially that I feel i'm not near a peak fitness point yet. Thinking of maybe changing my front tire in the meantime, I didn't realize my DHF weights almost 1300g alone.Never mind the weight, the rolling resistance on the DHF is crazy. If you want to run at the front end of XC races, run XC specific tyres. That alone will make a big difference to your average speed.
lechatnoir Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 A few upgrades you can try... some cost money, others don'ttyreslungslegsSome you can upgrade at the same time and some are worth upgrading a few times. Apologies for the pithy advice, but go and ride a race, and there'll be some guy on a bike far inferior to yours destroying the field... because it's not about the bike (that's a good book title - ) then there's the BMXers that ride faster than some roadies (on their S-Works )
rudi-h Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 post on here one day when you find a qualified and substantiated answer... i've been trying to find out how much slower my SC 5010c is compared to a XC race bike for years and the answers vary between "not much" all the way up to 30 minutes on a 5h race.
Headshot Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 One word of warning - if you've got used to the grip levels provided by a proper MTB tyre like a DHF, you might find the front of the bike a lot less inclined to go where you want it to on loose or sketchy corners. Also, if your DHF weighs 1.3 kg, its well over what a more trail oriented casing like the EXO version would weigh, even in 29er. If its a DH casing its complete overkill, especially up front.
Patchelicious Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 post on here one day when you find a qualified and substantiated answer... i've been trying to find out how much slower my SC 5010c is compared to a XC race bike for years and the answers vary between "not much" all the way up to 30 minutes on a 5h race.Well seeing that you own 50% of the bikes required, and you are the one wanting the inforamtion, why dont you borrow a XC racing bike, do a test, and tell us?
Stupak Posted June 25, 2018 Author Posted June 25, 2018 Never mind the weight, the rolling resistance on the DHF is crazy. If you want to run at the front end of XC races, run XC specific tyres. That alone will make a big difference to your average speed.I've gone ahead and ordered some XC specific tires now A few upgrades you can try... some cost money, others don'ttyreslungslegsSome you can upgrade at the same time and some are worth upgrading a few times. Apologies for the pithy advice, but go and ride a race, and there'll be some guy on a bike far inferior to yours destroying the field... because it's not about the bike (that's a good book title - ) then there's the BMXers that ride faster than some roadies (on their S-Works )Its def true what you have said, I see it all the time a better bike doesn't always make you faster.
ABrooks Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 What would be good tyres front and back that can be reliably used that don't weigh as much as the DHFs?
Patchelicious Posted June 25, 2018 Posted June 25, 2018 Do you wash your own bike though?A guy running a DHF front is obviously so manly that he would wash his own bikes. R50 bike wash and lubes are reserved for high and mighty 2.0 Sworks Fast Track snobs.
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