batmobile Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 Slightly off topic chaps.....so I was looking at the same scenario. Xmas came and with it a voucher which I used to get the NX upgrade kit. I've installed and and am happy with it. To be honest I find the shifting, pretty smooth and silent and the lever action lighter than my previous XTR setup. This could be due to my immense strength build from "playstation/xbox thumbs" However has anyone had any issues with "trail chatter" from the rear derailleur? I find that over bumpy sections the derailleur is quite noisy. Would this be because there is no "lock out" clutch?
Skylark Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 So the MS that CWC is offering won't work, would that be correct..? Really appreciate your time [emoji106]What is MS, do you have a link to it?
Skylark Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 Slightly off topic chaps.....so I was looking at the same scenario. Xmas came and with it a voucher which I used to get the NX upgrade kit. I've installed and and am happy with it. To be honest I find the shifting, pretty smooth and silent and the lever action lighter than my previous XTR setup. This could be due to my immense strength build from "playstation/xbox thumbs" However has anyone had any issues with "trail chatter" from the rear derailleur? I find that over bumpy sections the derailleur is quite noisy. Would this be because there is no "lock out" clutch?Does it have a clutch at all? The lock out clutch I was referring to earlier is on some Sram clutches where you can lock the Rd down, which is handy when taking the wheel out or changing the chain, you disable that lock when riding though, so that feature has zero effect when you are out on the trails.
Butterbean Posted January 7, 2019 Author Posted January 7, 2019 What is MS, do you have a link to it?It's the same as mine, and will work just like the NX would work.
DieselnDust Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 MS? As in micro spline? That's only for XTR 12speed SRAM dérailleurs don't have a clutch like Shimano dérailleurs. They don't need them as they are only intended for 1x use. The derailleur moves in one plane by design.The lock mechanism is just there to keep the jockey cage out of the way to make wheel removal easier as the jockey cage spring is much much stronger than in other brands dérailleurs. At all times the jockey cage lock must be off for the derailleur to work properly. As for trail chatter, what bike are you riding. Some rear sus designed do cause a lot of trail chatter
Butterbean Posted January 7, 2019 Author Posted January 7, 2019 MS? As in micro spline? That's only for XTR 12speed SRAM dérailleurs don't have a clutch like Shimano dérailleurs. They don't need them as they are only intended for 1x use. The derailleur moves in one plane by design.The lock mechanism is just there to keep the jockey cage out of the way to make wheel removal easier as the jockey cage spring is much much stronger than in other brands dérailleurs. At all times the jockey cage lock must be off for the derailleur to work properly. As for trail chatter, what bike are you riding. Some rear sus designed do cause a lot of trail chatterMS is the model of the sunrace derailer in the CWC kit.
batmobile Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 MS? As in micro spline? That's only for XTR 12speed SRAM dérailleurs don't have a clutch like Shimano dérailleurs. They don't need them as they are only intended for 1x use. The derailleur moves in one plane by design.The lock mechanism is just there to keep the jockey cage out of the way to make wheel removal easier as the jockey cage spring is much much stronger than in other brands dérailleurs.At all times the jockey cage lock must be off for the derailleur to work properly. As for trail chatter, what bike are you riding. Some rear sus designed do cause a lot of trail chatter MS? As in micro spline? That's only for XTR 12speed SRAM dérailleurs don't have a clutch like Shimano dérailleurs. They don't need them as they are only intended for 1x use. The derailleur moves in one plane by design.The lock mechanism is just there to keep the jockey cage out of the way to make wheel removal easier as the jockey cage spring is much much stronger than in other brands dérailleurs.At all times the jockey cage lock must be off for the derailleur to work properly. As for trail chatter, what bike are you riding. Some rear sus designed do cause a lot of trail chatterRiding a Scalpel Si 3 2017 model. Might just have to setup the gopro on brackets and clamps to have a look to see whats going on.
Quagga Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 Yip and with XD-R coming for road Shimano will never see my money again.... Ever.If I buy a Crank it will be from Stages but more likely I'll be using quarq going forward. Just sick of Shimano poor design and expensive locked in replacement parts. Sick of warrantying shifters and dérailleurs. SRAM and campagnolo make better products because they are not fueled by the arrogance of monopoly. If they don't build better parts they go out of business so they just build better equipment on every levelDont do it 1. No local support, you can not get it calibrated here if you ever need to2. Mine and a friends lasted 5years and constant issues3. Stages WORKS and WORKS AND WORKS
Quagga Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 I am with D I D here... another way to do it is 46 - 34 = 12T50 - 36 = 14T Now 2 teeth dif might seems small until you change the chaing by 2T and see how big the difference is 0.74 vs 0.72 is hardly the same..The app I used is called calculator hahahaha really? 0.02 difference? No man.... 32/19 and 34/20 feel pretty much the same to me on the SS.... Are you arguing semantics or genuine gear ratios?
Quagga Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 MS? As in micro spline? That's only for XTR 12speed SRAM dérailleurs don't have a clutch like Shimano dérailleurs. They don't need them as they are only intended for 1x use. The derailleur moves in one plane by design.The lock mechanism is just there to keep the jockey cage out of the way to make wheel removal easier as the jockey cage spring is much much stronger than in other brands dérailleurs.At all times the jockey cage lock must be off for the derailleur to work properly. As for trail chatter, what bike are you riding. Some rear sus designed do cause a lot of trail chatterSRAM does have a clutch, even says so on the website, what they dont have an method to engage or disengage the clutch. EDIT attache pic
GrahamS2 Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 What is MS, do you have a link to it?https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/sunrace12sp-upgrade-kit-1x12
T-Bag68 Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 https://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/sunrace12sp-upgrade-kit-1x12Thanks for doing this GrahamS2.. So if I buy this kit, then all I need is the Sunrace front blade ?
Quagga Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 Thanks for doing this GrahamS2.. So if I buy this kit, then all I need is the Sunrace front blade ? No, all you need is ANY front blade that is narrow/wide
DieselnDust Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 SRAM does have a clutch, even says so on the website, what they dont have an method to engage or disengage the clutch. EDIT attache picsram.JPGYa I saw this but when disassembling the thing all that's inside is a moerse strong spring and a roller ball bearing instead of a bushing like road dérailleurs. The "clutch" is just a strong spring.Hence if you use an oval chain ring it won't wear the clutch out
Quagga Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 Ya I saw this but when disassembling the thing all that's inside is a moerse strong spring and a roller ball bearing instead of a bushing like road dérailleurs.The "clutch" is just a strong spring.Hence if you use an oval chain ring it won't wear the clutch outNo the "clutch" is the bearing....take the spring out and move the cage and you will see that the cage still "holds" back without the spring. The bearing "grabs" to keep the chain tention
Jewbacca Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 I am with D I D here... another way to do it is 46 - 34 = 12T50 - 36 = 14T Now 2 teeth dif might seems small until you change the chaing by 2T and see how big the difference isHuh? 2 teeth doesn't change the ratio? 0.739 vs 0.72. 0.019 difference is negligible
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