shaper Posted April 30, 2019 Share Why can't people just accept the rules??.... they think they are special or what? dsw, Patchelicious, gogo@ and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted April 30, 2019 Share The Swartberg 100 welcome gravel bikes and promote the use of them. However, not sure how this impacted on the number of accidents requiring medical attention during the event.Bit of a silly argument, the swartberg 100 is a gravel race, K2C is not. Most people capable of riding 180km around Prince Albert could conceivably ride the event on a roadbike - The general standard of the K2C is far below the Swartberg 100. I'm not looking for an argument and if you are under your own steam you should ride whatever you like IMO. But these 2 event's aren't nearly similar thisismyotherbike and Dicky DQ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted April 30, 2019 Share So why would the route be more technical than in the past. All the risky areas have been graded smoothed out. You can now even do the Wapad on a road bike with 25C (I would go with 28C) tyres if you relay wanted to.I'll race you and buy you all the beers you like at the finish regardless of the outcome Edited April 30, 2019 by Waynemol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky DQ Posted April 30, 2019 Share I find it a bit of an odd decision.Here's kevbo rocking his stigmata last year. I understand not everyone can ride a bike like him, and 20 joe publics who think they can ride like him can create a few lie downs along the way. To say no ebikes and no gravel bikes seems to be a bit of a pushback against two growing segments of the sport. Would be interesting to see if there have been actual issues with accidents as the medics seem to be the ones credited with making the call. but ja, your race your rules. We still get to comment on them.am just waiting for some monstercross bikes to confuse their classifications!What can one say, they even allow dopers so who knows where this rule will end. Pure Savage 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smerds Posted April 30, 2019 Share Bit of a silly argument, the swartberg 100 is a gravel race, K2C is not. Most people capable of riding 180km around Prince Albert could conceivably ride the event on a roadbike - The general standard of the K2C is far below the Swartberg 100. I'm not looking for an argument and if you are under your own steam you should ride whatever you like IMO. But these 2 event's aren't nearly similar Agree that these two events are not the same. However, it seems like the concern from the K2C event organizers could be the additional medical attention that could be required due to riders riding the event on gravel bikes. It will be interesting to know the comparison or correlation between accidents involving gravel bikes vs mtb's on the Swartberg 100 as both bikes could enter and ride the event. The comparison between the two events, both events include high speed descents on gravel roads. Edited April 30, 2019 by smerds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky DQ Posted April 30, 2019 Share I'll race you and buy you all the beers you like at the finish regardless of the outcomeCould be a plan to take you up on, but I am planning on cycling back to Ctn after K2C and that could be more of a challenge on the road bike. But for free beer, it may be worth it to take 2 bikes up. I will need to loose some weight as I am pushing 110kg now and that will be harsh on my crackendale. but worth considering. My wife will love you if this gets me to loose weight. Hmmm something to think about but will they let me ride on a road bike if gravel bikes are not allowed. No wait it is not a gravel bike so it should be OK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me rida my bicycle Posted April 30, 2019 Share The rules are there for safety and to make the event run smoothly. Sure there's guy's who can do it on a gravel bikes but there's more that can't. I for one would most definitely not try it on one, that 13km down hill had quite a couple of casualties and can't see why you have like to have your stopsels uit geskud for 100km.There was truck loads of people taken to the finish with mountain bikes. So can only imagine with more people trying it on gravel bikes it would just make it even more of a nightmare for the organisers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted April 30, 2019 Share I despair... Patchelicious, shaper and Wayne pudding Mol 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne pudding Mol Posted April 30, 2019 Share Could be a plan to take you up on, but I am planning on cycling back to Ctn after K2C and that could be more of a challenge on the road bike. But for free beer, it may be worth it to take 2 bikes up. I will need to loose some weight as I am pushing 110kg now and that will be harsh on my crackendale. but worth considering. My wife will love you if this gets me to loose weight. Hmmm something to think about but will they let me ride on a road bike if gravel bikes are not allowed. No wait it is not a gravel bike so it should be OKNow I definitely want to race you - You ride the K2C on a road bike and I will courier it home for you (and beer offer stands) Only caveat is a full race report here afterwardsI will not pay for the repairs to you or your bike however Dicky DQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chingy182 Posted April 30, 2019 Share Glad I saw this now as I was kinda keen to do it on my gravel bike this year. I guess now I won't have to toss the coin and just go ride it on my mtb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky DQ Posted May 1, 2019 Share Another legitimate question, when is a gravel bike a gravel bike? what is the definition? Would it then not be better to properly define what components are the ones that cause the risk? If a gravel bike is banned can you use a MTB with gravel bars? or a rigid MTB with Gravel Bars? or a dual Suss with Gravel Bars? or a normal MTB with gravel tyres? etc. Where is the crossover point. Is it the brakes? if so is it cantilever /cable disk etc.? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jewbacca Posted May 1, 2019 Share Another legitimate question, when is a gravel bike a gravel bike? what is the definition? Would it then not be better to properly define what components are the ones that cause the risk? If a gravel bike is banned can you use a MTB with gravel bars? or a rigid MTB with Gravel Bars? or a dual Suss with Gravel Bars? or a normal MTB with gravel tyres? etc. Where is the crossover point. Is it the brakes? if so is it cantilever /cable disk etc.?yawn... Arguing 'technicalities' again. If it doesn't look like a mountain bike, don't ride it. Otherwise direct these questions to the organisers, who have CLEARLY asked you to please ride your mountain bike. Going out of your way to 'prove a point' or point out a loophole or just be difficult/objectionable because you can is unnecessary. I'm sure you're an awesome person and I don't want to sound rude, but NO. Drop it, ride your mountain bike and save yourself and the organisers a headache when they don't have to disqualify you or stop you at the start chutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicky DQ Posted May 1, 2019 Share yawn... Arguing 'technicalities' again. If it doesn't look like a mountain bike, don't ride it. Otherwise direct these questions to the organisers, who have CLEARLY asked you to please ride your mountain bike. Going out of your way to 'prove a point' or point out a loophole or just be difficult/objectionable because you can is unnecessary. I'm sure you're an awesome person and I don't want to sound rude, but NO. Drop it, ride your mountain bike and save yourself and the organisers a headache when they don't have to disqualify you or stop you at the start chutes.No worries, but a definition of a mountain bike would be good don't you think? Wayne pudding Mol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Brink Posted May 1, 2019 Share yawn... Arguing 'technicalities' again. If it doesn't look like a mountain bike, don't ride it. Otherwise direct these questions to the organisers, who have CLEARLY asked you to please ride your mountain bike. Going out of your way to 'prove a point' or point out a loophole or just be difficult/objectionable because you can is unnecessary. I'm sure you're an awesome person and I don't want to sound rude, but NO. Drop it, ride your mountain bike and save yourself and the organisers a headache when they don't have to disqualify you or stop you at the start chutes. But... I don't have a mountain bike any more, I use my gravel bike for all my mountain biking, and all my road riding. I ride all the trails I used to on my mountain bike, happily and (touch wood) safely. What must I do in this circumstance? The point of how a gravel bike should be defined here is not looking for technicalities, it is kinda important. If I pitch with 650bx2.1 knobblies (some gravel bikes take up to 2.4), but drop bars, I am on far more capable machine than most of the field, for the technical bit. If the guy next to me has put 700x38mm gravel bike tyres on his hardtail mtb, who is going to trouble the medical services first? Knee-jerk rules, for rules' sake, are silly, and this is a prime example. </devilsadvocate> Dicky DQ and Wayne pudding Mol 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Crispy Posted May 1, 2019 Share What can one say, they even allow dopers so who knows where this rule will end.And they allow big-mouth people like you to continuously ridicule and annoy others Dicky DQ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotSoBigBen Posted May 1, 2019 Share To my mind gravel bike implies drop bars and rigid fork .... But there are hubbers that consider what is essentially an MTB with rigid fork to be a gravel bike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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