How apartheid killed Johannesburg's cycling culture

[kosmonooit]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:29 AM, IceCreamMan said:

Who would be blamed then?

 

Good thing they did, gives a handy reason to blame.

 

 

Homo sapiens and others before them have always been wanderers. Who was in Europe before they arrived? Neanderthals, who did not survive although they DNA does in Westerners (something like 5%) Why they did not survive is not known. Were they wiped out by settlers? Could they not adapt to changing times? (Ice age coming to an end, competition for foods)

 

Then there was the great Bantu migration south in Africa, which largely displaced indigenous peoples, like the Bushmen, where there was some eradication as well as mixing

 

Perspective, perspective,perspective.....

 

Hard to view history without ones own blinkers

 

ed typos

[fanievb]

  On 8/14/2019 at 6:49 AM, kosmonooit said:

Yes, I was there.

 

Please do name one other society where racial segregation was enforced to the extent it was in South Africa in the 1960's and 1970's.

 

Should we get into some details?

 

[RocknRolla]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:42 AM, Ashchest said:

This thread now had me thinking back to the 80's & 90's when most of us used to cycle to school, well at least where I grew up in Somerset-West.    The schools had large dedicated area's under roof with many many bicycle racks where the bikes were parked.

 

Now, 30 - 40 years later my own kids are in school, but there are no place for bicycles, or very few.  Most of the kids are taken to school in cars by their parents, probably because nou loving parent will allow their kids to cycle to school?   I wonder if we can blame anyone? 

 

Careful of flaunting your (white, I am assuming) privilege....

[kosmonooit]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:42 AM, Ashchest said:

This thread now had me thinking back to the 80's & 90's when most of us used to cycle to school, well at least where I grew up in Somerset-West.    The schools had large dedicated area's under roof with many many bicycle racks where the bikes were parked.

 

Now, 30 - 40 years later my own kids are in school, but there are no place for bicycles, or very few.  Most of the kids are taken to school in cars by their parents, probably because nou loving parent will allow their kids to cycle to school?   I wonder if we can blame anyone? 

 

 

ja the bike sheds saw lots of action back in the day: mainly fighting and smoking and a bit of groping.

[IceCreamMan]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:43 AM, kosmonooit said:

 

Hard to view history without ones own blinkers

 

ed typos

Yes indeed, impossible. Irrespective of ones views.

 

So, where did the roads and bicycles come from?

 

( I am a monty python fan)

[Fat Boab]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:44 AM, fanievb said:

 

And Godwin's award goes to you!

[IceCreamMan]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:49 AM, Fat Boab said:

And Godwin's award goes to you!

But at least we know why cycling in Germany, she’s not big

[Fat Boab]

Has anyone seen any estimates of numbers of current commuters in JHB?

[kosmonooit]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:44 AM, fanievb said:

 

 

There we go .. .analogies were made between Nazism and Apartheid, although of course Hitler took it all to another level!

 

Perhaps I should have qualified what I was calling for, namely post War / modern.

 

Quite a few Afrikaners were interned during WWII for supporting the Nazis  including future president BJ Vorster

[kosmonooit]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:49 AM, IceCreamMan said:

Yes indeed, impossible. Irrespective of ones views.

 

So, where did the roads and bicycles come from?

 

( I am a monty python fan)

 

And Literacy

[Slowbee]

When one reads thread like this and all the comments some of you make on the Trump (& co) thread, it is no wonder the planet finds itself in a pickle.

[RocknRolla]

I wonder if the Author: Njogu Morgan is a hubber? 

[Fat Boab]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:53 AM, kosmonooit said:

There we go .. .analogies were made between Nazism and Apartheid, although of course Hitler took it all to another level!

 

Perhaps I should have qualified what I was calling for, namely post War / modern.

 

Quite a few Afrikaners were interned during WWII for supporting the Nazis  including future president BJ Vorster

 

I didn't know that. Have you got a link for further reading perhaps?

 

Edit: found this on Wiki, if anyone is interested...

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossewabrandwag

[RocknRolla]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:59 AM, Slowbee said:

When one reads thread like this and all the comments some of you make on the Trump (& co) thread, it is no wonder the planet finds itself in a pickle.

 

Well, this is sadly the reality of our species, created by our species.

 

We are in the midst of a very successful parasitic existence.

[Skubarra]

  On 8/14/2019 at 7:49 AM, IceCreamMan said:

Yes indeed, impossible. Irrespective of ones views.

 

So, where did the roads and bicycles come from?

 

( I am a monty python fan)

 

Happy to help out there - the world's first paved roads were built in Africa (Egypt), later to be copied by the Persians and then by the Romans

[kosmonooit]

  On 8/14/2019 at 8:01 AM, Fat Boab said:

I didn't know that. Have you got a link for further reading perhaps?

 

Sure

Ossewabrandwag

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ossewabrandwag