Zama7 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Hey Guys So with all this corona uncertainty and winter approaching I am considering buy a decent indoor trainer to use for the next couple of months. Looking for any recommendations with a budget of lets say sub 10k. Lastly do these trainers have a decent second hand value ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knersboy Posted March 24, 2020 Share Wahoo Kickr Snap 2 or Tacx Bushido. Both pretty similar in terms of maximum incline, Tacx probably a bit more expensive but has the advantage of no power cord required (you power it). The most basic smart trainer I know is the Tacx Satori, works on Zwift etc but you control the resistance manually with a lever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbr Posted March 24, 2020 Share I've got the Tacx Flow from takealot a few months back, it's not great in terms of gradient and bluetooth drops, but it does the job for a third of the price of most other indoor trainers. I have no regrets whatsoever that I went the cheap way on this (unless most of my other buys where I often end up buying twice when trying to save a few bucks) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertWhitehead Posted March 24, 2020 Share Under 10k you'll get lots of value for money. Tacx - Vortex, Satori, Flow, BushidoWahoo - Kickr Snap 2.0 https://www.cyclelab.com/product/wahoo-kickr-snap-2-0-trainer-1https://bikehub.co.za/classifieds/item/indoor-trainers-and-accessories/400752/kickr-snap-20-with-spare-wheel-set-cassettehttps://bikehub.co.za/classifieds/item/indoor-trainers-and-accessories/399072/wahoo-kickr-snaphttps://bikehub.co.za/classifieds/item/indoor-trainers-and-accessories/397067/tacx-flow-hardly-used-smart-traininer They do have a relatively decent re-sale value yes Hey Guys So with all this corona uncertainty and winter approaching I am considering buy a decent indoor trainer to use for the next couple of months. Looking for any recommendations with a budget of lets say sub 10k. Lastly do these trainers have a decent second hand value ? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickjay007 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Depends what type of indoor trainer you after: direct, friction or rollers? Each have their own pros and cons Although there are many variations of each, most trainers come in three basic styles. Direct-drive trainers attach to the rear dropouts, replacing your wheel and providing a direct connection to the resistance unit. These trainers are easily identified because they require a cassette. They are typically the most expensive but also the most accurate, with the highest levels of resistance. Friction trainers place a small roller against the rear wheel and utilize either magnetic or fluid resistance. They tend to be lighter and more portable than direct-drive trainers, but are noisier and less accurate. The trade-off comes in cost. You can get a smart friction trainer for about half as much as a direct-drive model. Rollers are the most basic style and also require the most technique since the bike isn’t held in place, but rather perched atop three rollers. Resistance can range from almost nothing up to as much as any direct-drive trainer. They are also very useful for refining pedaling technique. Mopkop 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbr Posted March 24, 2020 Share Rollers are the most basic style and also require the most technique since the bike isn’t held in place, but rather perched atop three rollers. Resistance can range from almost nothing up to as much as any direct-drive trainer. They are also very useful for refining pedaling technique.But it's basically just pedaling, no smart functions and no power reading (unless you have a power meter) Also one of my mates has a direct drive tacx and he noted the same as me on my flow, it reads about 10 to 20w less than our rotor powermeters on 3 secs average (the higher you go, the bigger the gap). So the direct drive might be accurate, but they are still not perfect slickjay007 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zama7 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Thanks guys, looking for a direct or friction but definitely one that can connect to a TV or pc, need something to challenge me and atleast track some progress. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertWhitehead Posted March 24, 2020 Share All of the one's I listed offer what you're looking for Thanks guys, looking for a direct or friction but definitely one that can connect to a TV or pc, need something to challenge me and atleast track some progress. Zama7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desi Posted March 24, 2020 Share Just spoke to one Lbs ... they sold every one of their indoor trainers within minutes of opening this morning! Everyone getting ready for lockdown! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehosefat Posted March 24, 2020 Share But it's basically just pedaling, no smart functions and no power reading (unless you have a power meter) Also one of my mates has a direct drive tacx and he noted the same as me on my flow, it reads about 10 to 20w less than our rotor powermeters on 3 secs average (the higher you go, the bigger the gap). So the direct drive might be accurate, but they are still not perfect A direct drive should always read a bit less than a pedal or crank based power meter though. This is due to the frictional losses in the drive train (BB, chain, derailleur jockey wheels etc.). The pedal or crank based meter measures the power before these losses and the direct drive measures it after. Tatt and Veebee 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Veebee Posted March 24, 2020 Share Just spoke to one Lbs ... they sold every one of their indoor trainers within minutes of opening this morning! Everyone getting ready for lockdown!I see Bicycle Power also sold out on all the Cycleops [saris] trainers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dexter-morgan Posted March 24, 2020 Share I might have a Kickr 1 available, just waiting on the Kickr 3 that I can get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbr Posted March 24, 2020 Share A direct drive should always read a bit less than a pedal or crank based power meter though. This is due to the frictional losses in the drive train (BB, chain, derailleur jockey wheels etc.). The pedal or crank based meter measures the power before these losses and the direct drive measures it after.Yeah but 20w though My BB is brand new, and my drivetrain is clean Anyways, at the end of the ride the average power isn't that different, maybe 10% +/- I think it's mostly related to lag between the bluetooth/Zwift vs the Garmin's power, I'd have to check my data again on the next few indoor rides to confirm Edited March 24, 2020 by Jbr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jehosefat Posted March 24, 2020 Share Yeah but 20w though My BB is brand new, and my drivetrain is clean Anyways, at the end of the ride the average power isn't that different, maybe 10% +/- I think it's mostly related to lag between the bluetooth/Zwift vs the Garmin's power, I'd have to check my data again on the next few indoor rides to confirm20w seems a bit much. From some estimates I've seen, drivetrain losses are between 2% and 5%, plus there is the measurement error in the powermeters themselves so you end up with the expected difference between 2 power meters in different places being between 0% and 10% (assuming each power meter has an accuracy rating of between 1% and 2.5%). And that's without considering sampling rates or recording/transmission lags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yyyy Posted March 24, 2020 Share Anyone know where I can find decent rollers in CPT region. Online stores wont be able to deliver before lock down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grease_Monkey Posted March 24, 2020 Share Anyone know where I can find decent rollers in CPT region. Online stores wont be able to deliver before lock downI'd imagine CWC will be your best option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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