Loadshedding solutions

[Theunissa]

24 minutes ago, TheoG said:

I would like to se how they going to "police" this though .... 🤷‍♂️

They don't even have the capability and resources to bring most/all serious crimes like murder & rape to book, how the hell will they manage this.

For now, my install was done by a professional and I have a COC, how/when/if the rest of these requirements will actually be implemented and properly regulated, we will have to wait and see.

In the current state our country is, I'm not holding my breath ... 😥

There has been a few cases already. It not policed by government but independent bodies. Who then hand it over to NPA. There has been 3 prosecutions as far as I remember 

[dave303e]

Honestly, in my personal experience. Electrical COC's are not worth the paper they are written on. (same for Gas). It is just a money making scheme with the façade of safety. 

We had our gas stove installed in JHB, it was a brand new installation that came with COC. Then 3 years later we we selling and needed a gas COC. The next installer came along and wanted to charge 5k to redo the install as it was 'not safe'. I managed to track down the original installer who then for free just sent a new COC via email without even coming to check.

Same house electrical COC was a joke as well. Obviously it had a COC when we bought. 3 years later it cost us nearly 24k to get the house to a point where it would pass. All my smart switch installations were fine, but everything that was wrong was stuff that was exactly the same from when we bought. Bathroom heater wiring, pool pump on a plug, pool pump DB, outdoor sockets, geyser wiring, the gate motor wiring. It was 3 guys on site for nearly 2 days to sort. The scary thing is that we had 3 electricians quote for it and they all had the same feedback.

Our new solar installation on the farm had a COC done and it passed(it is a very professional looking installation) but it is pointless because the farm wiring itself is a nightmare. 

It is also the weight behind it is in the wrong place. No COC means you can't transfer the house or get insurance. They are not actively enforcing COC's in order to keep you safe, they just giving insurance a way to make sure there is some quality in what they are insuring and a reason for them not to pay if you didn't do it. If COC's were worth anything then they would be going into townships forcing shacks to be compliant to stop the hundred of deaths caused by illegal connections

[TheoG]

9 minutes ago, Theunissa said:

There has been a few cases already. It not policed by government but independent bodies. Who then hand it over to NPA. There has been 3 prosecutions as far as I remember 

I would like to see the details on these cases, any idea where I can find more info on it?

[The Ouzo]

I wonder how this fire proof battery installation will affect trolley inverters ?

 

Weight on the roof is something most people dont think about. But how much does a panel weigh ? And if they are going that route they should also look at pool solar heating installations.

 

Re: the COC. When we bought our current place it obviously came with a COC. Yet when we moved in there was no power to the garage, some investigation revealed that all the neutral wires in the DB were not tightened into the circuit breakers, most of them were making enough contact to but the garage one was not. I should have called the sparky that issued the COC but it was just quicker and easier to simply tighten all the wires into their respective breakers.

[Theunissa]

1 minute ago, The Ouzo said:

I wonder how this fire proof battery installation will affect trolley inverters ?

 

Weight on the roof is something most people dont think about. But how much does a panel weigh ? And if they are going that route they should also look at pool solar heating installations.

 

Re: the COC. When we bought our current place it obviously came with a COC. Yet when we moved in there was no power to the garage, some investigation revealed that all the neutral wires in the DB were not tightened into the circuit breakers, most of them were making enough contact to but the garage one was not. I should have called the sparky that issued the COC but it was just quicker and easier to simply tighten all the wires into their respective breakers.

If you report said sparky. The have to fix for free.

[Theunissa]

5 minutes ago, TheoG said:

I would like to see the details on these cases, any idea where I can find more info on it?

I will get you a contact on it

[Theunissa]

4 minutes ago, The Ouzo said:

I wonder how this fire proof battery installation will affect trolley inverters ?

 

Weight on the roof is something most people dont think about. But how much does a panel weigh ? And if they are going that route they should also look at pool solar heating installations.

 

Re: the COC. When we bought our current place it obviously came with a COC. Yet when we moved in there was no power to the garage, some investigation revealed that all the neutral wires in the DB were not tightened into the circuit breakers, most of them were making enough contact to but the garage one was not. I should have called the sparky that issued the COC but it was just quicker and easier to simply tighten all the wires into their respective breakers.theat 

Battery regs have always been there. It has just been ignored. Trolley inverter not actually allowed in house or to run your main house from it same with generator installs. There is important stuff like earthing bonding etc. And oat installation it's not done. There are guys working very hard to get the whole industry fixed, specifically electrical. It will take time but there is already alot happening like insurance who doesn't pay it things go wrong. PS you as non electrician is not allowed to technically touch electricity. But ja baby steps. 

[Theunissa]

@TheoG. Its not made public BY NPA. yet that's part of the fight the guys are fighting to get done. Education is very important. I do know of 2 electricians who has to fix stuff for free after issuing a COC that non compliant 

[dave303e]

8 minutes ago, The Ouzo said:

I wonder how this fire proof battery installation will affect trolley inverters ?

 

Weight on the roof is something most people dont think about. But how much does a panel weigh ? And if they are going that route they should also look at pool solar heating installations.

 

Re: the COC. When we bought our current place it obviously came with a COC. Yet when we moved in there was no power to the garage, some investigation revealed that all the neutral wires in the DB were not tightened into the circuit breakers, most of them were making enough contact to but the garage one was not. I should have called the sparky that issued the COC but it was just quicker and easier to simply tighten all the wires into their respective breakers.

Trolley inverters will be an interesting one. 

Panels are not that heave and they spread the weight out over a larger area. A person walking on a roof has a lot more pressure on the roof than a panel does. I did a whole bunch of checks when I built our shed for the solar. It was very easy to over build it to handle extra weight.

[Frosty]

14 minutes ago, dave303e said:

We had our gas stove installed in JHB, it was a brand new installation that came with COC. Then 3 years later we we selling and needed a gas COC.

Same house electrical COC was a joke as well. Obviously it had a COC when we bought. 3 years later it cost us nearly 24k

The CoC is only valid for 2 years (electrical) but 5 years (gas). I’m not sure if selling renders any CoC invalid

[TheoG]

9 minutes ago, Theunissa said:

Battery regs have always been there. It has just been ignored. Trolley inverter not actually allowed in house or to run your main house from it same with generator installs. There is important stuff like earthing bonding etc. And oat installation it's not done. There are guys working very hard to get the whole industry fixed, specifically electrical. It will take time but there is already alot happening like insurance who doesn't pay it things go wrong. PS you as non electrician is not allowed to technically touch electricity. But ja baby steps. 

I hear you, BUT, there is a lot of things on my house electric system that was done so shoddy by the electrician that I had to correct it myself to proper std.

Edited January 6, 2023 by TheoG

[Theunissa]

7 minutes ago, dave303e said:

Trolley inverters will be an interesting one. 

Panels are not that heave and they spread the weight out over a larger area. A person walking on a roof has a lot more pressure on the roof than a panel does. I did a whole bunch of checks when I built our shed for the solar. It was very easy to over build it to handle extra weight.

Problem is 10 panels add 200-300kg. Your roof must be strenthened and determined by an engineer. Because it not just the weight but also fire risk. And also the wind load speed. I'm not saying you don't know hoe to make sure it's strong enough. It's about protecting yourself legally should something go wrong. 

[The Ouzo]

15 minutes ago, Theunissa said:

Battery regs have always been there. It has just been ignored. Trolley inverter not actually allowed in house or to run your main house from it same with generator installs. There is important stuff like earthing bonding etc. And oat installation it's not done. There are guys working very hard to get the whole industry fixed, specifically electrical. It will take time but there is already alot happening like insurance who doesn't pay it things go wrong. PS you as non electrician is not allowed to technically touch electricity. But ja baby steps. 

yes technically you should not even be changing a plug as a non sparky. 

[Theunissa]

3 minutes ago, TheoG said:

I hear you, BUT, there is a lot of things on my house electric system that was done so shoddy by the electrician that I had to correct it myself to proper std.

YES. The first thing the AIA is doing and working on is getting ride of those types of issues. The rest will come. But like Leon the one person said to me the yneed people to report these guys otherwise they can't do nothing. They can't walk up to you and force you to report the person. 

[Theunissa]

Just now, The Ouzo said:

yes technically you should not even be changing a plug as a non sparky. 

YES and me as sparky needs to issue COC for all I'm doing even just changing a plug. But the the industry is such a mess. That it's scary. But things are changing but will take time. 

[The Ouzo]

1 minute ago, Theunissa said:

YES. The first thing the AIA is doing and working on is getting ride of those types of issues. The rest will come. But like Leon the one person said to me the yneed people to report these guys otherwise they can't do nothing. They can't walk up to you and force you to report the person. 

you see this right here, this is one of the reasons why vehicle manufacturers were insisting your vehicle needs to be serviced with them in order to keep the warranty. Far to many backyard type guys "that can fix cars for cheap cheap" . (I say one of the reasons, we all know the other reason is money).