VETS WORLDS SELECTIONS 2008

[Spinnekop]

nobody prevents you from keeping the selectors informed through out the year of your performances .... so my message to team

 

It is not our jobs to keep them informed.  It is theirs.  They want to stay in the dark' date=' we will keep laughing at them (CSA)........

Knowledge is power......and if that is true, CSA is again showing how powerless they are.......

 

 

And if you don't know who the selectors are....YOU ASK there's The Hub, Carinus, myself, CSA - any body can get information

 

Marko and 101% asked the question in this thread 4 times...........mmmmmmmm

 

Lets not make the same mistakes again' date=' people

[/quote']

 

Mark my words.

Come 2009, this mistake WILL BE MADE AGAIN. 

Sad fact of cycling in SA. 

 

Spinnekop2008-07-22 01:50:42

[Owen]

ag wake up guys , you are treating your SPORT like a job. send the national champ in his age category. period. if CSA aren't paying for you to go to worlds and you feel strongly about going, select yourself and go as an individual. 

 

 

hellooooo , wakey,  wakey,

csa are not sending anyone to worlds, they've just selected riders who are allowed to wear SA colours if they choose to go and ride. and i think they give you the kit and R1 500 towards costs the rest comes out of your or your sponsors pocket.  

 

I think many are missing a valid point here...anyone can enter the Masters World Championships and wear whatever kit they like and form whatever teams they want. While it's nice to see some funding toward the regulars who do attend (and they'd be going regardless of funding from CSA) but it would have been better spent on preparing the juniors for the Worlds.

 

I dont it about the money. It's been selected for your Country.

 

I spoke to Michael Addy yesterday and he said he got R25 000.00 from CyclingSA. He did both track and road at Vet Worlds. 

[AuctionLamb]

Chris Botha (current SA Champ 30-35) did not race any of the "big" races cause it is a bit expensive for the Capies to travel so much....but if he did I think he would still have kicked some serious @ss! He is definitely not just a wheels sucker....he trained very hard and his aim was SA's.

[Poison Ivy]

nobody prevents you from keeping the selectors informed through out the year of your performances .... so my message to team

 

It is not our jobs to keep them informed.  It is theirs.  They want to stay in the dark' date=' we will keep laughing at them (CSA)........

Knowledge is power......and if that is true, CSA is again showing how powerless they are.......

 

then make it your job.....Spidy....until such time they move out of darkness into the light ....thats the involvement Carinus was talking about....be pro-active....not angry all the time because selectors don't know who you are

 

 

And if you don't know who the selectors are....YOU ASK there's The Hub, Carinus, myself, CSA - any body can get information

 

Marko and 101% asked the question in this thread 4 times...........mmmmmmmm

 

Only a few days ago.....after the selection was announced.....not 2 - 3 months ago? 

 

Lets not make the same mistakes again' date=' people

[/quote']

 

Mark my words.

Come 2009, this mistake WILL BE MADE AGAIN. 

Sad fact of cycling in SA. 

 

Doesn't have to be.....not if we all change our attitudes

 

[Spinnekop]

 

then make it your job.....Spidy....until such time they move out of darkness into the light ....thats the involvement Carinus was talking about....be pro-active....

 

Not that easy.  I don't see me a rider and a selector.  How fair would that be?? 

I trust in the people that are selected to do a good job......

 

 

not angry all the time because selectors don't know who you are

 

They'll never know...........even if one of them were my own mother.....

 

 

Doesn't have to be.....not if we all change our attitudes

 

Attitude.....check......

Now....who is going to do a good job?  Make an informed decision?  Now THERE lies the challenge....or not?

 

Information is easy to get........not?

 

So to me it is not attitude that needs to change but maybe work ethic.  Pride in what you do.  And then lastly to have the balls to step up to the plate and defend you decisions and how they were made.....

 

 

[NotSoBigBen]

As I always say to my colleagues, it's easy to employ someone to do a job but helluva difficult to employ someone who actually cares about how well they do it!

[Eldron]

OK my final 2c on this fast growing thread....

Back in the day when  I was racing vets we tried to change things - we went to a few AGMs - we phoned a few people but we were not organised - hell the only team back then was Renato and co in the Bulk Technik team. We got outvoted easily at any meetings by the "cronies" and their buddies/families.

I freely admit that we didn't try that hard - hell most "rider meetings" were unofficially held rolling the boss with eyes popping out in the gutter.

Hardly a united front.

 

Nowadays things seem to be much more organised - at least 5 "semi professional" vet teams exist in my age cat alone. They even have team managers! Given that a team with riders/manager etc is probably 7 people X 5 teams X 6 (of the popular) age cats thats 210 people. If they all went to an AGM they could easily vote in the people they wanted.

 

Much like when we tried - a few emails, some forum insults and the odd phone call isn't going to change the world. AGM saturation is my recommendation.

 

Use it - don't use it.

 

OK I'm done.

[Poison Ivy]

Ok, Spidy you are pissed...sure enough - I'm pissed too and  it seems to have hit a brick wall and not adding more fuel the fire:

 

then make it your job.....Spidy....until such time they move out of darkness into the light ....thats the involvement Carinus was talking about....be pro-active....

 

Not that easy.  I don't see me a rider and a selector.  How fair would that be?? 

I trust in the people that are selected to do a good job......

 

You don't have to be a selector as well.....but let them know who you are, and what you do or been doing....that is the easy part

 

So to me it is not attitude that needs to change but maybe work ethic.  Pride in what you do.  And then lastly to have the balls to step up to the plate and defend you decisions and how they were made.....

 

You have no idea how tough it to be involved in cycling in SA when it is not your bread and butter....your on duty 24/7 to one and all day and nite....then you still have to work, put a roof over your head, food on the table and maybe if you're lucky your boss doesn't fire your a$$ because your cell phone rings none stop at work....for something you don't get paid to do or any graditude for.... so as long as this job ethic you are refering to is voluentary...... you can do only the best you can under some damn difficult circumstances (and I'm not making any excuses because we all do it because we love the sport - that's why we do it)

 

And that's where your attitude as riders towards these people should change....as long as this job is a voluentary one....which it is.....then get off your asses and pitch the hell in  

 

OK, I'm done !!

 

 

 

Poison Ivy2008-07-22 03:23:43

[Cruxpearl]

Chris Botha (current SA Champ 30-35) did not race any of the "big" races cause it is a bit expensive for the Capies to travel so much....but if he did I think he would still have kicked some serious @ss! He is definitely not just a wheels sucker....he trained very hard and his aim was SA's.

Sorry for you boet... Chris Botha is a wheelsucker, and wheelsucked the WHOLE race at SA's, made one feeble attempt to jump the small group 4 km's from the finish, and then sprinted for the line, with fresh legs, because he did not have the guts or the balls to take part in the race.

Kicking serious ass in the other races??? Puhlease!!!!!!

I listened to him talking on the phone waiting at Dope control, he was more surprised than anyone to have been there in the finish, his own words!!!! "At least now Daiken Gu will have to keep me in the team"

[Mudsimus]

Chris Botha is a wheelsucker' date=' and wheelsucked the WHOLE race at SA's, made one feeble attempt to jump the small group 4 km's from the finish, and then sprinted for the line, with fresh legs, because he did not have the guts or the balls to take part in the race."[/quote']

 

And that my fellow hubbers we call tactic. He won the race...mission accomplished.

[Spinnekop]

 

And that my fellow hubbers we call tactic. He won the race...mission accomplished.

 

Perfect tactic.  And if I had no self respect, I would have done the same.

 

Each to his own they say.

But yes....perfect tactic....

 

BUT.

 

Does that make him the perfect canidate to represent SA in a race that is going to take fitnes, strenght and allround hardcore riding?

 

Ek vra maar net....

 

[Christie]

I dont have a problem that the SA champs are part of the teams, but for example, Malcolm was not selected for worlds when he was SA champ last year.  

[Cruxpearl]

Chris Botha is a wheelsucker' date=' and wheelsucked the WHOLE race at SA's, made one feeble attempt to jump the small group 4 km's from the finish, and then sprinted for the line, with fresh legs, because he did not have the guts or the balls to take part in the race."[/quote']

 

And that my fellow hubbers we call tactic. He won the race...mission accomplished.

You're missing the point here Mud Dee, I'm not for one moment denying that Chris won SA's or contesting that his victory is either worthy or not, I'm merely responding to an incorrect statement made that 1. Chris is not a wheelsucker, and 2. that had he been racing in the big races up in Gauteng, he would have kicked serious ass, and then pointing to the facts of the matter at hand at SA's to substantiate...

Cruxpearl2008-07-22 04:48:21

[TarmacPro]

Chris Botha is a wheelsucker' date=' and wheelsucked the WHOLE race at SA's, made one feeble attempt to jump the small group 4 km's from the finish, and then sprinted for the line, with fresh legs, because he did not have the guts or the balls to take part in the race."[/quote']

 

And that my fellow hubbers we call tactic. He won the race...mission accomplished.

Yes mission accomplished. But SA's is one day race in RSA. Will any of the SA champs have the same results on a diffirent route or profile? (maybe yes....)

 

For Worlds the selectors should look at the route and profile and select the riders accordingly and on allyear round performance...

And again... Yes maybe the same rides would have been selected.... 

[butafly]

Chris Botha is a wheelsucker' date=' and wheelsucked the WHOLE race at SA's, made one feeble attempt to jump the small group 4 km's from the finish, and then sprinted for the line, with fresh legs, because he did not have the guts or the balls to take part in the race."[/quote']

 

And that my fellow hubbers we call tactic. He won the race...mission accomplished.

You're missing the point here Mud Dee, I'm not for one moment denying that Chris won SA's or contesting that his victory is either worthy or not, I'm merely responding to an incorrect statement made that 1. Chris is not a wheelsucker, and 2. that had he been racing in the big races up in Gauteng, he would have kicked serious ass, and then pointing to the facts of the matter at hand at SA's to substantiate...

 

and that is the crux of the matter..........some seriously p****d off Gauteng vets that were beaten by an unknown CT rider.

[Poison Ivy]

one final suggestion and I'll also whisper it in a few other ears as well: but what if the selectors identify some vets races during the next year (maybe 4 races in total all over the country) which can be used as selection criteria for 09?

and SA's results can only be one of those identified races....as well as some of the Superseries races....

 

that sounds fair to me....what do you think