LBKloppers Posted September 9 Posted September 9 I don't like Shimano anymore, but any alternative is very expensive and almost impossible to justify. Can you help me to justify the change?
splat Posted September 9 Posted September 9 Gears (elec or cable). 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 speed? Brakes (rim or hyro)? Road or Mountain or Gravel ? What is your gripe with Shimano ? (is it the product or the supplier?)
W@nted Posted September 9 Posted September 9 28 minutes ago, splat said: Gears (elec or cable). 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 speed? Brakes (rim or hyro)? Road or Mountain or Gravel or fishing equipment ? What is your gripe with Shimano ? (is it the product or the supplier?) In addition splat, Super Sywurm, Mongoose! and 4 others 7
cadenceblur Posted September 9 Posted September 9 2 hours ago, LBKloppers said: I don't like Shimano anymore, but any alternative is very expensive and almost impossible to justify. Can you help me to justify the change? Go niche and go Campagnolo DieselnDust, Underachiever, Prince and 1 other 2 1 1
MORNE Posted September 9 Posted September 9 And here i am…swopped AXS for peasant level LINKGLIDE XT….as in R4k for cassette + mech+ shifter - on an enduro bike, and its been one of the best groupsets ive used - hand on heart. Rock solid(quite literally lol. Heavy AF) and reliable…and so cheap i dont care if i break it against a rock. Imo…you probably don't not like shimano anymore…you are bored and have upgratitus 😅 anyway, i do what i want…so should you! Get whatever makes you feel fuzzy. JacquesJ, CARANXCycleMobile, Mook and 1 other 4
LBKloppers Posted September 10 Author Posted September 10 15 hours ago, splat said: Gears (elec or cable). 8, 9, 10, 11 or 12 speed? Brakes (rim or hyro)? Road or Mountain or Gravel ? What is your gripe with Shimano ? (is it the product or the supplier?) 10 or 11 speed Full XT 8100 on a mtb. My gripe.......The inexact tardy shifting. Yes I had everything, and I mean everything, was renewed and setup by the lbs just in case I was a poepol. The other day I got on a old bike my son had with 2010 X9 installed. The crispness of the shifting was such a reminder that we get used by what we have and then we accept it. My XT setup is indexed as good as it can be but there is this 3/4 gear area that never shifts when I like. I have to feather the shift or I have to jump two gears up and drop one to get where I want. In mtb, there might be a time or three where this can cause problems. I don't have the budget to change, but I wish I did. The other side of the coin is that Shimano still is cheap compared to the SRAM product.
LBKloppers Posted September 10 Author Posted September 10 10 hours ago, MORNE said: And here i am…swopped AXS for peasant level LINKGLIDE XT….as in R4k for cassette + mech+ shifter - on an enduro bike, and its been one of the best groupsets ive used - hand on heart. Rock solid(quite literally lol. Heavy AF) and reliable…and so cheap i dont care if i break it against a rock. Imo…you probably don't not like shimano anymore…you are bored and have upgratitus 😅 anyway, i do what i want…so should you! Get whatever makes you feel fuzzy. Yes and no. No budget, but definitely frustrated. The thing is, if my Shimano just shift properly the fuzziness will return. I am not brand bedonnerd, but I do like like my stuff to work properly.
Bike Dewing Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Are you unhappy.? Do you have the money to get sram.? Then that’s justified.. would I switch from what you’re describing.?! probably not.. all bikes have their quirks and that’s what makes them amazing..
Newbie321 Posted September 10 Posted September 10 I have GX setup one the old bike and Mix of shimano XT and SLX on the new one, both have their quirks but I would actually be hard pressed to say which I prefer over the other. I'm in the 'my gear should serve me, I shouldn't serve my gear' camp, so shimano wins out on price. The only thing I dislike compared to GX is the clutch and having to service it every so often if you want good shifting for shimano.
MORNE Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) 2 hours ago, LBKloppers said: Yes and no. No budget, but definitely frustrated. The thing is, if my Shimano just shift properly the fuzziness will return. I am not brand bedonnerd, but I do like like my stuff to work properly. I had this exact issue on AXS. Somewhere mid cassette it would just hesitate for a split second and no amount of electronic micro adjustments could get it sorted. Thats the thing…when theres a cable you can at least get a new one…play around with the tension. When its 1’s and 0’s / signals and it chooses to be salty, it will be salty. Linkglide is 11 speed (11-50) , and basically a ‘mechanical version’ of transmission in the way the tooth ramps work. So shifting is slightly slower than hyperglide etc…but way smoother and rock solid. Ive been super impressed with it. It just works…even on my high pivot bike. Edited September 10 by MORNE LBKloppers and ChrisF 2
LBKloppers Posted September 10 Author Posted September 10 16 minutes ago, Newbie321 said: I have GX setup one the old bike and Mix of shimano XT and SLX on the new one, both have their quirks but I would actually be hard pressed to say which I prefer over the other. I'm in the 'my gear should serve me, I shouldn't serve my gear' camp, so shimano wins out on price. The only thing I dislike compared to GX is the clutch and having to service it every so often if you want good shifting for shimano. Are you suggesting that a clutch service might improve my frustrations?
LBKloppers Posted September 10 Author Posted September 10 2 hours ago, Bike Dewing said: Are you unhappy.? Do you have the money to get sram.? Then that’s justified.. would I switch from what you’re describing.?! probably not.. all bikes have their quirks and that’s what makes them amazing I am quite capable of servicing all the mechanicals on my bike, but I'd rather ride than fiddle. Bike Dewing 1
MORNE Posted September 10 Posted September 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, LBKloppers said: Are you suggesting that a clutch service might improve my frustrations? It wont hurt, but it wasn't really an issue on 11spd. Is a 12s thing. Have you had your mech hanger alignment checked, thats also a possible reason. Edited September 10 by MORNE Mook 1
Newbie321 Posted September 10 Posted September 10 Just now, LBKloppers said: Are you suggesting that a clutch service might improve my frustrations? I've you've never done one yes, I do mine about every 3 - 6 months, super easy todo, I also just use normal grease, probably not advised but eh works for me. Shifting for me improves dramatically especially from the high to lower gears, but then I also run the tension at the highest I can get away with.
W@nted Posted September 10 Posted September 10 2 hours ago, LBKloppers said: 10 or 11 speed Full XT 8100 on a mtb. My gripe.......The inexact tardy shifting. Yes I had everything, and I mean everything, was renewed and setup by the lbs just in case I was a poepol. The other day I got on a old bike my son had with 2010 X9 installed. The crispness of the shifting was such a reminder that we get used by what we have and then we accept it. My XT setup is indexed as good as it can be but there is this 3/4 gear area that never shifts when I like. I have to feather the shift or I have to jump two gears up and drop one to get where I want. In mtb, there might be a time or three where this can cause problems. I don't have the budget to change, but I wish I did. The other side of the coin is that Shimano still is cheap compared to the SRAM product. Theses symptoms are possibly due to a bent derailleur hanger. Did your lbs check it?
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