Bikehub Business Unfair to Small Dealers?

[Mo79]

Rather work with me.  Please.  I did the necessary by going the private message route first.  
 

The people commenting here are not necessarily dealers, so I can understand why they wouldn’t understand.  Only the Naidy guy. Please check his profile also. I know he’s a dealer.  You have to change his account too.  Nothing personal Mr Naidy.  It’s just we need to be fair. 😂

 

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Let’s resolve this here and keep it on Bikehub 😉. Make the platform more fair to everyone.

 

Edited November 18, 2025 by Mo79

[Mo79]

And you can delete this and we can take it offline again if you want to work on it together. 

[Nick]

2 minutes ago, Mo79 said:

Rather work with me.  Please.  I did the necessary by going the private message route first.  

You got caught violating both our fee-dodging and multiple-account rules, then accused us of discrimination and now I’m expected to just ignore that and work with you? If someone stole a bike you were selling and called you racist for asking for it back, would that be a situation where trust could simply be rebuilt and moved past?

[Mo79]

At the same time we have those guys I sent their usernames above not paying for ads.  How did they fall through the cracks?  That’s years of lost revenue and you’re worried about a small time like me.  Those guys are listing items 10k plus up to 100k. I’m listing minor little things under 5k and only once over R30k in the last 5 years.  

Yes what I did wasn’t fair to you.  However those guys getting away for years on much bigger amounts, how is that fair to me?

 

I don’t mind paying as I said, why must I pay for renewals?

this model of paying only really became an issue in the last few years, it wasn’t when o signed up.  I didn’t even know you had to pay till my account was changed to a business account. And then when I had to pay for renewals I was like how is that fair? 

Edited November 18, 2025 by Mo79

[PhilipV]

As a non dealer, I think paying per ad/post is perfectly fair. Even if the cost is proportionally more for lower ticket items. 
what you seem to forget is that the ad cost is only a small portion of the total cost, and the margin that the bigger items carry is less, and the risk is higher. 
 

If you want to run against the big dogs you shouldn’t be whining like a puppy.

[Paul Ruinaard]

Hmm - businesses have costs. So does the Bikehub. If you want charity go to the food queue at the church and get the handouts there . Thats what charity is.

This site is not a charity so why do you wnat to take the crust from the mouth of the people who are making the rain and justify why its yours and you need help.

In what universe is that justifiable and how do you get off pointing out others are offending? throw everyone under the bus? I supose as a kid you never learnt that when you outed your siblings you got punished as well. 

TBH no wonder you are struggling - you dont understand the first thing about how community works. Let alone business. 

 

Edited November 18, 2025 by Paul Ruinaard

[Mo79]

5 minutes ago, Paul Ruinaard said:

Hmm - businesses have costs. So does the Bikehub. If you want charity go to the food queue at the church and get the handouts there . thats what charity is.

This site is not a charity so why do you wnat to take the bread fom the mouth of the people who are making the rain and justify why its yours and you need help. IN what universe is that justifiable and how do you get off pointing out others are offending.

TBH no wonder you are struggling - you dont uderstand the first thing about how community works. Let alone business. 

 

Community looks after all, not just those with money.  Why do some get away with not paying for ads and others have to.  One guy has 2500+ ads over the last several years. 
 

How do you difine who is a dealer and who is not.  Amount of ads?  Value of items listed?  Has a Shop? deals from home?  Etc.

 

You can classify a guy selling out of his backyard the same as a bike bike shop. It’s not fair.

Edited November 18, 2025 by Mo79

[Paul Ruinaard]

2 minutes ago, Mo79 said:

Community looks after all, not just those with money.  Why do some get away with not paying for ads and others have to.  One guy has 2500+ ads over the last several years. 
 

How do you difine who is a dealer and who is not.  Amount of ads?  Value of items listed?  Has a Shop? deals from home?  Etc.

 

You can classify a guy selling out of his backyard the same as a bike bike shop. It’s not fair.

In which universe is life fair or business fair mate?  Lets start there.  No one including the whole universe and everyone in it ever made any covenant that things should be fair.

IMO you sound like the sort of whiny Gen Z who believes that there are prizes for coming 20th in the class and is struggling with working out why the world is not according to how you were told it is when you were given particpation prizes. 

Life is certainly not fair.

Maybe a spoon of cement after your epic vloer moer and a HTFU top cap for your stem would be what you need as medicine

 

[Spank]

You post more than x per annum, then your automatically classified as a dealer?

This may be the solution to the problem.

Mo79 has a point, its unfortunately the delivery that didn't come across correct.

[Nick]

25 minutes ago, Spank said:

You post more than x per annum, then your automatically classified as a dealer?

This may be the solution to the problem.

Mo79 has a point, its unfortunately the delivery that didn't come across correct.

We’ve considered charging accounts that reach a certain posting volume, mainly to monetise high-volume users who are clearly getting value, rather than to catch dealers. The tricky part is intent, not just volume. Some high-volume users aren’t dealers, and some dealers post less often.

Because some people actively hide their dealer status, we don’t always catch it. Usually, we act when it’s reported by the community or we notice it ourselves. And then we inevitably spend a morning tracking down their new duplicate private account that pops up shortly after, or explaining to them why they are considered a dealer when they insist they are not. Ideally, they would simply categorise themselves correctly from the start. Every new users is asked to do so before posting their first advert.

[Nick]

23 minutes ago, Mo79 said:

Community looks after all, not just those with money.  Why do some get away with not paying for ads and others have to.  One guy has 2500+ ads over the last several years. 
 

How do you difine who is a dealer and who is not.  Amount of ads?  Value of items listed?  Has a Shop? deals from home?  Etc.

 

You can classify a guy selling out of his backyard the same as a bike bike shop. It’s not fair.

The definition is on our dealer page. First question in the QAs:

Who is a dealer?
If you're using Bike Hub's classifieds section as part of the course of business, re-selling new or used goods, or offering services we regard you as a "dealer".

[Spank]

17 minutes ago, Nick said:

We’ve considered charging accounts that reach a certain posting volume, mainly to monetise high-volume users who are clearly getting value, rather than to catch dealers. The tricky part is intent, not just volume. Some high-volume users aren’t dealers, and some dealers post less often.

Because some people actively hide their dealer status, we don’t always catch it. Usually, we act when it’s reported by the community or we notice it ourselves. And then we inevitably spend a morning tracking down their new duplicate private account that pops up shortly after, or explaining to them why they are considered a dealer when they insist they are not. Ideally, they would simply categorise themselves correctly from the start. Every new users is asked to do so before posting their first advert.

Got it, but a line will need to be drawn. Like you mentioned before, some rules/decisions unfortunately can't please everyone. enforcing something like this will level the playing field for everyone?

[Spookie]

1 hour ago, Mo79 said:

I really didn’t want to do this publicly.

 

If you had just listened to me a few years ago.  I didn’t want to expose others and have their account also changed to business account, that goes against the core of my being.  But since it wasn’t handled in the private chat, I had to do this unfortunately.

 

This creates a toxic environment with dealers having them piemp (report) each other.

sidekickracer

steadycycles 

Kingofthedownhil

I knew about these guys for years and one of them I told you they were dealing 2500+ ads and many big items.  Now I had to publically mention them.  They gonna hate me forever for piemping on them. But I was forced to. Cause now I’m the laughing stock of Bikehub for asking for fairness and for alternatives to your current system.  I didn’t the right thing and messaged privately, but I didn’t get a resolution to my suggestions.  These policies are creating animosity between dealers. 

 

 

 

I wouldn’t classify someone who buys bikes to get certain parts they otherwise might not be able to obtain to be used in PERSONAL bike builds, and then sell on what they don’t need as a “dealer” if you ask me… but I’m no lawyer…

[Naidy]

1 hour ago, Mo79 said:

Rather work with me.  Please.  I did the necessary by going the private message route first.  
 

The people commenting here are not necessarily dealers, so I can understand why they wouldn’t understand.  Only the Naidy guy. Please check his profile also. I know he’s a dealer.  You have to change his account too.  Nothing personal Mr Naidy.  It’s just we need to be fair. 😂

 

What’s good for the goose is good for the gander.

Let’s resolve this here and keep it on Bikehub 😉. Make the platform more fair to everyone.

 

I think this is where you are going wrong, assumptions is the mother of all ******. I'm far from a dealer, but anyway, if @Nick has to investigate my account then ill be fine with that.

 

And stop being a dick, you posted this on a public forum so deal with the comments. 

[Mo79]

46 minutes ago, Nick said:

We’ve considered charging accounts that reach a certain posting volume, mainly to monetise high-volume users who are clearly getting value, rather than to catch dealers. The tricky part is intent, not just volume. Some high-volume users aren’t dealers, and some dealers post less often.

Because some people actively hide their dealer status, we don’t always catch it. Usually, we act when it’s reported by the community or we notice it ourselves. And then we inevitably spend a morning tracking down their new duplicate private account that pops up shortly after, or explaining to them why they are considered a dealer when they insist they are not. Ideally, they would simply categorise themselves correctly from the start. Every new users is asked to do so before posting their first advert.

The 2500+ ads guy he’s a dealer with that amount of pairs.  And those were like big items R50k, R100k bicycles.  I was posting handlebars, frames, bikes etc mostly under R5k.  I had about 2000 ads when this profile was changed to a business profile 2 years ago.  That same guys is still floating under the radar. And there are much more. 
 

You have to have a sure solid and clear criteria for what you consider a dealer.  If you have a shop, you’re a dealer.  If you buy to resell, you’re a dealer.  If  you have a hight volume of times, your most likely a dealer. 
 

The problem is that dealers are primping each other.  A dealer doesn’t like me, he’s gonna piemp me and get my account to be a paid account.  But there’s other guys getting away with it for year.  

[Bub Marley]

1 hour ago, Mo79 said:

Community looks after all, not just those with money.  Why do some get away with not paying for ads and others have to.  One guy has 2500+ ads over the last several years. 
 

How do you difine who is a dealer and who is not.  Amount of ads?  Value of items listed?  Has a Shop? deals from home?  Etc.

 

You can classify a guy selling out of his backyard the same as a bike bike shop. It’s not fair.

You sound butthurt because you got caught out. That’s essentially what this comes down to. You then created a dummy account and got caught again.

 

Just because others haven’t gotten caught yet, does not automatically mean you get a free pass. The rules are the same for everyone. You just got caught so accept it and move on.