David Bellairs vs Groot Lem

[Sean Badenhorst]

 

Whats wrong with Tableview?

 

Isn't the CSA head office there?

 

 

 

 

[Joe Low]

The average Hub flame thread:

 

"There are more questions than answers
Pictures in my mind that will not show
There are more questions than answers
And the more I find out the less I know
Yeah, the more I find out the less I know".

 

 

 

[javadude]

 

Whats wrong with Tableview?

 

Isn't it being renamed to little Nairobi, or is that Parklands?

 

[Guest colonel]

Little Nigeria and thats the dodge part of Parklands near McDonalds.

[Red Zone]

Little Nigeria Narclands and thats the dodge part of Parklands near McDonalds.

[wheels]

That is how Groot Lem is . GROOT BEK and to proud to say sorry David ,I made a mistake.

[mallo]

It seems we have a tit for tat match about to brew out of this. Rumour has it someone not happy paying the salary for CL and him not following their orders.Reading between the lines there seems to be some power play taking place within certain structures hence "you will not get rid of "x y or z" as they are MY ?????

 

 

 

 

 

"Dave Bellairs, who wears many hats in South African cycling, said that both as a PPA member and the vice president of CSA he had been upset with Lemmer?s take on the Medscheme Tour de Vino. Bellairs said the sponsors, Medscheme, PPA and other CSA officials had agreed a mistake had been made, but it had not detracted from the event.

 

?I don?t want to get involved in a fight with Carinus, I think he has been wonderful for the sport, but I was disappointed and saddened that he came out with the statement,? said Bellairs yesterday.

 

?The mistake happened, we sorted it out quickly and the safety of not one cyclists was compromised. The PPA and Matchworld, who organised the event from a Medscheme perspective, have an excellent relationship and the organisation was top class.

 

?I think that when Carinus was speaking to the journalist |after the race, he acted emotionally. He is passionate about cycling and I think let his emotion get the better of him and didn?t stop to think before he said what he said. I?ll be speaking to him about it".

 

 

[Canaris]

beware of the reasonable man........

[BMCfan]

It seems we have a tit for tat match about to brew out of this. Rumour has it someone not happy paying the salary for CL and him not following their orders.Reading between the lines there seems to be some power play taking place within certain structures hence "you will not get rid of "x y or z" as they are MY ?????


"Dave Bellairs' date=' who wears many hats in South African cycling, said that both as a PPA member and the vice president of CSA he had been upset with Lemmer?s take on the Medscheme Tour de Vino. Bellairs said the sponsors, Medscheme, PPA and other CSA officials had agreed a mistake had been made, but it had not detracted from the event.
?I don?t want to get involved in a fight with Carinus, I think he has been wonderful for the sport, but I was disappointed and saddened that he came out with the statement,? said Bellairs yesterday.
?The mistake happened, we sorted it out quickly and the safety of not one cyclists was compromised. The PPA and Matchworld, who organised the event from a Medscheme perspective, have an excellent relationship and the organisation was top class.
?I think that when Carinus was speaking to the journalist |after the race, he acted emotionally. He is passionate about cycling and I think let his emotion get the better of him and didn?t stop to think before he said what he said. I?ll be speaking to him about it".
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mmmmmmmmmmmm......

 

 

baie interesant, hier gaan ons alweer

 

so het hulle al gesels????????????????

[Bateleur1]

Klink my so.  Dit is dalk hoekom stellings terug getrek word

[Seepglad]

Iis important that the two issues need to be kept separate, even though the same set of incidents caused the two issues to raise their necks:

 

1. Personally, I do not believe it such a great idea of DB to employ the words he did to describe my "outburst," etc. I was cool and calculating when the media called me for an opinion on the debacle last weekend at the Tour de Vino. Dave and I will still speak, and, like we have managed to do before, we will discuss, agree and put behind us. PPA will be receiving my correspondence tomorrow, merely as a statement of fact, a reminder of certain stats, and then we too will sit together and continue our good relationship as members of the sport. I do believe we will see a more succesfull and safer type of event living under the PPA umbrella (not because of any of my doing, but because of their good will and great teamwork).

 

2. Groot Lem wrote to DB based on what I had told him (GL) over coffee, and what I related to him was my best attempt at sharing what DB had tried to explain to me, regarding GL's "shouting" at DB's mates as they rode/drove past each other. If I had misunderstood DB's choice of words, I apologise for that. I am of the opinion that my conversation with DB was emotive (from his side) and that the possibility exists that I he did use those types of words, which came across as criticising GL, upon which I clearly, more than once, asked DB what he meant. I asked, repeatedly, since I was "embarrassed" that my brother was unable to conduct himself in a manner condusive to the happiness of all on that ride.

 

If I had any "control" over GL, I would have preferred that he had refrained from publishing his comments on the hub. Fortunately, we do not control each other, and we live as free men alongside all of you.

 

Also, my job is not under threat at CSA, but it can surely be interpreted that way - by reading DB's statements in The Star - by a loving brother who would do everything to protect his own.

 

Oh, DB is in the UK at present, and when I see him next Saturday at the Shova, we'll have that chat we have both undertaken to have

latrinus emmer2008-10-09 12:07:57

[Groot Lem]

That is how Groot Lem is . GROOT BEK and to proud to say sorry David ' date='I made a mistake.[/quote']

 

Mr Cooper, not sure why you dont like my brother or myself but thats your problem. I dont think we've met. I'm having a meeting with David when he's back. At this stage I'm not saying I'm sorry as I dont think I made a mistake. But if I did I will surely apologise. Regards to the pocket rocket.

[GoLefty!!]

my donnner,

 

this is quite a little love triangle..

 

Lets keep the dirty family laundry out of the professional job shall we.

Wees aint hillybilly's. We dont gif the bloke a snot klap soma becuase he did chirip my bruver.

Lets all play nicely.

 

btw, how the heck does David still occupy a seat on CSA and PPA? Surelyu there is a conflict of interest? Not a dig at David cos I think he manages it well, but the situation is not ideal.

[Seepglad]

 

 

 

 

my donnner' date='

 

this is quite a little love triangle..

 

Lets keep the dirty family laundry out of the professional job shall we.

Wees aint hillybilly's. We dont gif the bloke a snot klap soma becuase he did chirip my bruver.

Lets all play nicely.

 

btw, how the heck does David still occupy a seat on CSA and PPA? Surelyu there is a conflict of interest? Not a dig at David cos I think he manages it well, but the situation is not ideal.

[/quote']

 

Agreed, you should check the rest

This is sport, and the nature of sport is that it mostly invites the weak, since the strong aren't interested. Mark my words: most people involved in sports volunteerism has something odd going on with themselves.

on the CSA board, they're either in for selfgain, or for self-interest, or "for the love of the sport," or for genuinely sound reasons. I am stil trying to figure who is who (I am not on the board, but I know why I am in cycling.)

latrinus emmer2008-10-09 23:08:07

[Tumbleweed]

snippety snip

1. Personally' date=' I do not believe it such a great idea of DB to employ the words he did to describe my "outburst," etc. I was cool and calculating when the media called me for an opinion on the debacle last weekend at the Tour de Vino. snippety snip

[/quote']

gotta say you were calm

[mallo]

" Agreed, you should check the rest

 

This is sport, and the nature of sport is that it mostly invites the weak, since the strong aren't interested. Mark my words: most people involved in sports volunteerism has something odd going on with themselves.

 

on the CSA board, they're either in for selfgain, or for self-interest, or "for the love of the sport," or for genuinely sound reasons. I am stil trying to figure who is who (I am not on the board, but I know why I am in cycling.)"

 

Now I understand why Barry's offer has not received a reply as yet.Pity that such an initiative is now lost to the youngsters.