butafly Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 will training on a old steel bike have any positve / negative effects when changing to a lighter bike for racing?
Skinny Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Power to weight. You will still use the same watt to kg ratio. The only diference is it will take you longer to do your normal ride on the heavy bike.
dirtrider Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Skinny I am not to sure what that means but I like to do my "training" on a heavy bike . Got a very heavy bike on my indoor trainer .
RABUBI Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 I also use 2 bikes. An 8spd, 10 kg raleigh fame I built up from scratch bike, and a 7.4kg bike for racing. I save a lot of wear and tear on the racing bike, and believe me, you feel the difference when you get on the lighter one. Your training bike should not be too heavy though, and the geometry and set up must be 100% the same.
fatcyclist Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 I also use a old 8speed bike for most of my commuting, and it's around 10 or 11kg's. Not a single piece of carbon fibre in sight. Like RABUBI says, make sure the set up is the same. 8speed chains & clusters are way cheaper than 10speed and you do feel the difference!!
butafly Posted January 17, 2007 Author Posted January 17, 2007 the "heavy" has a 170mm crankarm vs the 172mm on my "lightbike" - geometry = saddle height, distance between saddle and stem. what else?
butafly Posted January 17, 2007 Author Posted January 17, 2007 Power to weight. You will still use the same watt to kg ratio. The only diference is it will take you longer to do your normal ride on the heavy bike. if you find that for eg your hill intervals times on the heavier bike are comparable to what you are accomplishing on your lighter bike then your power to weight ratio should be improving !!!
Skinny Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 If you use the heavy bike in some races and stay with the bunch you will definitetly improve, and when you make the switch to the lighter bike you will feel the difference.
Man with no name Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 I know Levi also trains like this - Scott Speedster for training and Scott CR1 for racing. About 3-4 kgs difference between the two bikes. Thanks for the training ride this morning mate!! Good to get out of your front door and your mate is waiting!
Guest Big H Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 We trained with our alu framed MTB tandem for the 2005 94.7 as we live in Mozambique and the situation was not condusive for our road tandem. I was, I think the fittest I ever was for any race before the 94.7. I ascribed it mainly due to the heavier bike.....shocks wheels etc. We have a road tandem with 700c wheels. We could not wait to use el rapido again. What a disaster. Although we had a bad fall a week before the race I just could not get going on race day. The bike with its diferent setup, The "unfamiliar" gearing, the different seats, the narrow handlebars just could not work for me. You get used to your own bike, your muscles get used to your own bike. unless the heavier training bike can be set up EXACTLY the same as your real bike it will have no benefit at all. Remember by using your real bike you stay in touch with the fel of the bike and you can pre-empt things that need attention of wants to break. You do not want to sukkel on your most important race day. I will nerver make the same mistake again. We did last years ARGUS with the MTB Tandem.
scotty Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 Skinny I am not to sure what that means but I like to do my "training" on a heavy bike . Got a very heavy bike on my indoor trainer .
Thyolo Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 A heavier bike is helping the training of the front guy but not his racing tandem partner on the back
Turk182 Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 I don't fuss with a second bike i just chuck my power tap on and it adds a further 600g to the bike, nice heavy wheels....
TitusTi Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 Same here, well no PT but I have training wheels (heavy) and racing wheels (lighter) and I think it makes a difference?
Turk182 Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 Same here' date=' well no PT but I have training wheels (heavy) and racing wheels (lighter) and I think it makes a difference?[/quote'] Yup, wheels make the ride, i use Alex rims(DA28) with my power tap and they are really stiff but they feel a little dead compared to the American Classic 420's that i race with...
SwissVan Posted January 17, 2007 Posted January 17, 2007 Skinny I am not to sure what that means but I like to do my "training" on a heavy bike . Got a very heavy bike on my indoor trainer . And do you notice any benefit ....<?:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
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