ChrisH Posted May 25, 2009 Share No where near' date=' geometry and tubing is a lot different, just look at the swingarm alone... completly different, the chain line alone tells you that.[/quote'] Pay attention class. Head angle of the Morewood is 70 degrees, the Raleigh is 71.Seat tube angle of both is 73Morewood wheelbase is 16mm longer but toptube is 25mm shorter. (for large frame)The big difference is in the chainstay which on the Raleigh is 39mm longer. So how on earth is it possible for one bike to have a longer wheelbase than another when it has a shorter top tube, more acutely angled headset and shorter chainstay. *head explodes when he tries to put on Johann Bornman hat*ChrisH2009-05-25 08:56:21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 25, 2009 Share No where near' date=' geometry and tubing?is a lot different, just look at the swingarm alone... completly different, the chain line alone tells you that.[/quote'] ? Pay attention class. ? Head angle of the Morewood is 70 degrees, the Raleigh is 71. Seat tube?angle of?both is 73 Morewood wheelbase is 16mm longer but toptube is 25mm shorter. (for large frame) The big difference is in the chainstay which on the Raleigh is 39mm longer. ? So how on earth is it possible?for one?bike to have a longer wheelbase than another when it has a shorter top tube, more acutely angled headset and shorter chainstay. ? *head explodes when he tries to put on Johann Bornman hat* You have just stated drastic differences even though a few mm might seem immaterial. Try your current bike with a lets say 100mm stem ... slap on a 90mm stem and go ride. ... you will feel a difference. H Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bos Posted May 25, 2009 Share No where near' date=' geometry and tubing is a lot different, just look at the swingarm alone... completly different, the chain line alone tells you that.[/quote'] Pay attention class. Head angle of the Morewood is 70 degrees, the Raleigh is 71.Seat tube angle of both is 73Morewood wheelbase is 16mm longer but toptube is 25mm shorter. (for large frame)The big difference is in the chainstay which on the Raleigh is 39mm longer. So how on earth is it possible for one bike to have a longer wheelbase than another when it has a shorter top tube, more acutely angled headset and shorter chainstay. *head explodes when he tries to put on Johann Bornman hat* Sir, Pick me! What was the toptube lenth? you never stated that, also, you have mistaken by saying the morewood have a more accute head angle, unless you made a Typo. 70'' is slacker than 71.Im not sure how They worked It out, as Im sure even the head angle cant make up for that much. But still...What are you trying to say ? that morewood copied a Raleigh? I dont get it.. Have a look at GT Idrive, take a look at Haro, Cannondale Jekyll they all have similarities. There are only so many designs and takes on linkages and pivots... but those two are really very different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ox_Wagon Posted May 25, 2009 Share Raleigh, Orbea etc measures the chain stay from the centre of the BB to the centre of the rear wheel axel. Moorwood, Santa Cruz etc. gives the chain stay length as the horizontal distance between the BB centre and the rear hub axel centre. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Two identical bikes with the same chain stay length with only different BB drops/height will have different wheel bases. The obvious difference between the Raliegh/Superlight/Hecklar/Cannodale Rush etc and the Morewood are that the Morewood does not have a elevated chain stay. Which dates back a ?few? years ago. The 1990 Cunningham designed Nisiki Alien: Ox_Wagon2009-05-25 10:01:52 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted May 26, 2009 Share At least Bos & OW is making some sense. <?: prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> Yeah we compare BB height, TT length, angles, and all the rest, but not all manufacturers' starting point is the same. MW is one of a few that do not measure BB height but rather BB drop. Big difference as this takes into account tyres and axle to crown. They are also clever enough to state all the different measurements for different a2c's.Many manufacturers measure ACTUAL TT while others measure effective TT.In addition, 580mm TT + 100mm Stem does not equal 620mm TT + 60mm stem. Not even close.Even if all the other measurements are 101% identical, a higher BB will result in a completely different bike out on the trail. Same with HA. Now go ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern Posted May 26, 2009 Share BOS said it best - the Morewood was hand-welded, heat treated and assembled in Pietermaritzburg by the man who owns the Morewood brand. There's unique value in that! Especially for the kind of okes who go ga ga over a hand-assembled Colnago, for example. (I have to admit that I am not one of those, but I do understand the perception of value which comes with it...and it's not uncommon. I mean Cannondale's so proud of it that every bike comes used to come with big stickers on the seat stay announcing just that...)intern2009-05-26 23:35:56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intern Posted May 26, 2009 Share Jeez I can see why they called that Nishiki an Alien. No way that sucker's from planet Earth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwan Kemp Posted May 26, 2009 Share http://www.rushsports.co.za/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/handmade-in-south-africa.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hairy Posted May 26, 2009 Share <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: black; FONT-SIZE: 9pt; mso-ansi-: EN" lang=EN><o:p>http://www.rushsports.co.za/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/handmade-in-south-africa.jpg</o:p></SPAN> Had that pic as my desktop back ground for a while Amazing how they managed to get the Alum to come through the paintwork like that ... and that is a good old sticker ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreZA Posted May 27, 2009 Share What is quite staggering is that you see more Morewoods in the UK mags then you see in SA mags. Oh sorry I forgot, our mags are crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackz Posted May 27, 2009 Share Roan on the XC bike at Fountains past Saturday. All the action pics I have are from the front and the ones I have of Patrick posing with the bike ... can't post them without permission. Trackz2009-05-27 02:27:33 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Dassie Posted May 27, 2009 Share Trackz, bad news. The motherboard on my laptop shorted. Spoke to a tech today, shall see if the motherboard can be replaced cost effectively. If not we hope the hdd is still fine and shall try to recover the data off there. Includes all the weekend's shots from the nationals :/ danger dassie2009-05-27 02:43:01 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trackz Posted May 27, 2009 Share Danger Dassie ... it was a Nikon that took the pics so half were probably out of focus or overexposed anyway so maybe the loss is not that big ... just kidding, you take great pics! Hope your HD is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rock Posted May 28, 2009 Share http://www.flickr.com/photos/morewood-spy/3573033288/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matchstix Posted May 28, 2009 Share Nice and a good weigt for an alu frame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_im_from_earth Posted May 28, 2009 Share And the quote's of the weekend: "Rad downhill bike!" "Where is the engine?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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