Patchelicious Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 It's time they start listening. How come the paddling community get this right? With paddling, you register with Canoeing SA every year through your affiliated club. You get your number the first time you register, and keep it every year. When you enter a race, they know through your number and the Canoeing SA database who you are, where you live and who your next of kin are. Simple. All this in a sport where they hardly charge you more than R120 a race.CSA is incapable of wiping the foam from the corners of their mouths, never mind putting something of actual substance together.
Bateleur1 Posted January 26, 2017 Posted January 26, 2017 So many good ideas. Another year. Another nothing. One number. For the year. Pickup once.Scan me at the enter shoot (like the MTB races are done in their thousands)The scan will confirm my CSA license. Batch. Valid entry. This is not rocket science. I am sure some individual in CSA is reading your post and thinking ... we are talking cycling races, not rocket races .... anyway moving on.
Spinnekop Posted January 27, 2017 Author Posted January 27, 2017 I am sure some individual in CSA is reading your post and thinking ... we are talking cycling races, not rocket races .... anyway moving on.If only we knew for sure that CSA can read........
travisza Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 If only we knew for sure that CSA can read........Hahaha!
Cava Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Maybe the first step is to clarify if CSA actually requires the number to be the piece of paper provided by the organisers or whether you are allowed to print the issued number on your own material. All I have seen wrt regulations is "All entrants to have a minimum of one back number". Not sure if there's more to it.
scotty Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Maybe the first step is to clarify if CSA actually requires the number to be the piece of paper provided by the organisers or whether you are allowed to print the issued number on your own material. All I have seen wrt regulations is "All entrants to have a minimum of one back number". Not sure if there's more to it. Quality would be an issue, ordinary paper will work loose and litter the route, printing on special paper costs more and not everyone has access to print.
Pure Savage Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 If CSA played nice with PPA, then Racetec could check if you are registered before selling you a ticket. At the moment. Racetec would have to go out of their way to act as an agent on the behalf of CSA. Makes no business sense for Racetec.
Cava Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Quality would be an issue, ordinary paper will work loose and litter the route, printing on special paper costs more and not everyone has access to print. I'm sure it would be, but the question is around what the regulations currently state. Once that is clarified, the debate around minimum paper quality can start. That might include some of the previously suggested options, including a special type of paper that you would need to use if you want to self-print or the option to have it printed by your LBS if they have the equipment.
Pure Savage Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 I'm sure it would be, but the question is around what the regulations currently state. Once that is clarified, the debate around minimum paper quality can start. That might include some of the previously suggested options, including a special type of paper that you would need to use if you want to self-print or the option to have it printed by your LBS if they have the equipment. Why would you need to print anything if its linked to your chip?
Patchelicious Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Quality would be an issue, ordinary paper will work loose and litter the route, printing on special paper costs more and not everyone has access to print.So what do you suggest?
Frosty Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Why would you need to print anything if its linked to your chip?Not everyone rides with a chip, or they ride with someone else's chip (family member). But that's as good as riding without your number or with someone else's number.
Patchelicious Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 You know how you can print your own boarding pass.......
Frosty Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 There's no reason why a licensed rider can't be issued with a permanent number (bib and frame number), except for the resistance from the race office, and the officials. It's a cost for the organizers, so it gets added into the cost of each entry. IMO, every registered rider with CSA should be issued a permanent number. The number is the link between the rider and their personal details. Licensed riders can be numbered 1-9999, with sufficient buffer between each group: Elite & U23: 1-299VA (30-34): 300-599VB (35-39): 600-899VC (40-44): 900-1199VD (45-49): 1200-1499VE (50-54): 1500-1799VF (55-59): 1800-2099VG (60+): 2100-2399Junior: 2400-2699U17: 2700-2999U15: 3000-3299U13: 3300-3599U11: 3600-3899 Then repeat the same range for the ladies, starting at 5001. All registered, non-licensed riders keep their number for life, starting from 10,001 and issued on a first-registered-first-issued basis. The fabric colour can change each year like the licence cards do, to ensure riders don't use a number for the following year without paying. Batching works the same as normal, and the timing chip can be used to verify if riders have started ahead of their batch. As far as entering a race without paying... number collection won't prevent that, and the organizers haven't got the manpower to marshal this. I have discussed a few options with a few race offices, the timing companies and the race officials. The biggest "problem" is if someone has a query (seeding, paid but not showing as an entrant, distance change, late entry, and a few others). This surely could be addressed at "late entry points" which is currently "number collection".
Cava Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Clearly there are many suggestions out there and some of them are really quite good. But CSA seems unlikely to actually do anything to change things so they might need a little push. So hence why I asked if the rules allow you the self-print. Because if large numbers of people (read Hubbers) starts turning up with self printed numbers with just the number and something like #OneNumberForLife on it, maybe someone notices and does something about it.
Frosty Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 Clearly there are many suggestions out there and some of them are really quite good. But CSA seems unlikely to actually do anything to change things so they might need a little push. So hence why I asked if the rules allow you the self-print. Because if large numbers of people (read Hubbers) starts turning up with self printed numbers with just the number and something like #OneNumberForLife on it, maybe someone notices and does something about it.As long as the (frame and) bib number complies to the correct dimensions, then it's possible to do. I'll try find the regulations for the correct sizes - I did get a copy last year.
scotty Posted January 27, 2017 Posted January 27, 2017 You know how you can print your own boarding pass.......Your boarding pass is verified that you on the correct flight and you cannot duplicate it as then you will have 2 people sitting in the same seat.
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