onetrackmind Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Don't be so rude man! Even though the young guy is doing too much the parents have taken it in a serious light in order to get advice on whether it is good or bad. To the point where they have requested me to put them in toch with an Olympic level coach. I think this alone means the parents are concerned about their boys health and future and I suspect if you list all the races he does this year you will not see him do more than flat 25km races of over 90min or so. You should read the thread Big H suggested. You will see it is a different story to what you assumed.I have read both threads - this is still irresponsible parenting, in my opinion. "But he wants to do it!" Sure, he does. Every kid wants to do what dad does. Two-hour-plus mountain bike races cannot be good for him, long term, surely? And a four hour ride aged eight or nine, even without the stress of it being a race/event, is bordering on abusive, again, just my opinion. Why does virtually every sporting code restrict participation at junior levels if there are not inherent developmental issues - even adults cyclists have problems with bone density, for example, and this laaitie's bones haven't even had a chance to finish growing properly yet. I really, really hope Carlo is still riding bikes happily and healthily in ten years time, I would love to be proved wrong this time!
Wyatt Earp Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 One-track and nothingness are the only two honest ones here.Koos and Eugene Groenewald .......gone, two examples of many talented young kids who do too much and loose all interest when they feel they are ready to stand up for themselves.If the kids is truly enjoying himself, and the posted photograph does not tell a story, then fine, that means he is happy and having fun, but please parents , cath a wake up and think what you are doing to the childs body and heart by pushing them to do distances that are just too long.
'Dale Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Yeah i do see loads of kiddies on full mini full sussers these days though, I agree with what you said now, but its still a shaitload better than buying kids 15k worth of playstation games and watching them veg and get nice and obese.Plus One, covie! If I could only get my nephews off their bums, off the couch, away from the box and into fresh air.
The_Break Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 One-track and nothingness are the only two honest ones here.Koos and Eugene Groenewald .......gone, two examples of many talented young kids who do too much and loose all interest when they feel they are ready to stand up for themselves.If the kids is truly enjoying himself, and the posted photograph does not tell a story, then fine, that means he is happy and having fun, but please parents , cath a wake up and think what you are doing to the childs body and heart by pushing them to do distances that are just too long. I don't think the past should be used in this discussion as the father has already made a move on getting professional advice and is doing something. To me that is responsible parenting as he has identified a possible problem and is now dong something about it. Whilst I do agree that the distances posted last year are too much for yong children, I doubt we will see him doing those distances as posted before. That would be irresponsible parenting. I am glad to see though that he is open to opinion. A good rait in a parent. I always give parents who don't buckel their kids up and hard time and most of them tell me to pluck off and drive on without doing anything. That is irresponsible parenting.
Guest Big H Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 I don't think the past should be used in this discussion as the father has already made a move on getting professional advice and is doing something. To me that is responsible parenting as he has identified a possible problem and is now dong something about it. Whilst I do agree that the distances posted last year are too much for yong children, I doubt we will see him doing those distances as posted before. That would be irresponsible parenting. I am glad to see though that he is open to opinion. A good rait in a parent. I always give parents who don't buckel their kids up and hard time and most of them tell me to pluck off and drive on without doing anything. That is irresponsible parenting. People are most of the time experts in the nurturing and education of other people's children. My approach was to use the good values my parents taught me and add my own. My own was not always the right ones but I hope my children will do the same thus making the pool of good values stronger.
Vetseun Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 My 2c, the little fella really looks like he is loving it. If so you go little guy,Burry also started young, and big respect. If his old man is pushing him harder that he should be pushed and the photo is not what it appears to be, swak Bru give the laaitie a gap.
Myra Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 For those who have too much .... or maybe nothing to say..... go and look at this link.... https://community.bikehub.co.za/topic/92854-new-kid-on-the-block-move-over-burry/page__st__20__p__1264486__hl__carlo+%7C+coetzee__fromsearch__1#entry1264486 Why? What difference does that thread make? And what makes you think that it hadn't been read first? I did. Don't be so rude man! Even though the young guy is doing too much the parents have taken it in a serious light in order to get advice on whether it is good or bad. To the point where they have requested me to put them in toch with an Olympic level coach. I think this alone means the parents are concerned about their boys health and future and I suspect if you list all the races he does this year you will not see him do more than flat 25km races of over 90min or so. You should read the thread Big H suggested. You will see it is a different story to what you assumed. You're joking, right? The parents are taking it seriously so they have been in touch with an Olympic level coach? What in the world will an Olympic level coach know about what is right or wrong for a 6 year old? Are there any six year olds at the Olympics? Hell no - it would never be allowed. As set out above, I had read the thread that Big H unnecessarily referred me to. What should have changed? Whilst I do agree that the distances posted last year are too much for yong children, I doubt we will see him doing those distances as posted before. That would be irresponsible parenting. Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? My approach was to use the good values my parents taught me and add my own. My own was not always the right ones but I hope my children will do the same thus making the pool of good values stronger. Aw, Big H - your humility is admirable.
Guest Big H Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 Why? What difference does that thread make? And what makes you think that it hadn't been read first? I did. You're joking, right? The parents are taking it seriously so they have been in touch with an Olympic level coach? What in the world will an Olympic level coach know about what is right or wrong for a 6 year old? Are there any six year olds at the Olympics? Hell no - it would never be allowed. As set out above, I had read the thread that Big H unnecessarily referred me to. What should have changed? Isn't that exactly what I've been saying? Aw, Big H - your humility is admirable. Relax......
The_Break Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 You're joking, right? The parents are taking it seriously so they have been in touch with an Olympic level coach? What in the world will an Olympic level coach know about what is right or wrong for a 6 year old? Are there any six year olds at the Olympics? Hell no - it would never be allowed. Because an Olympic level coach only gets to that level by undergoing numerous training and courses which include, among other things, Youth Development and Long Term Athlete Development. They are seeking advice from him as to whether he is doing too much for hs age as they are concerned he is, even though he is able to complete the distances comfortably and with great enjoyment.
Myra Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) Relax...... I don't understand. The difference that the thread you referred to would have made is "relax"? Come now Big H, I expect more from you than a cop out like this. Because an Olympic level coach only gets to that level by undergoing numerous training and courses which include, among other things, Youth Development and Long Term Athlete Development. They are seeking advice from him as to whether he is doing too much for hs age as they are concerned he is, even though he is able to complete the distances comfortably and with great enjoyment. All that goes without saying. I just think that they would be off consulting someone who specialises in children's growth and development. Anyway, it appears that you care and are doing what you think is right - great - and that the parents, or at least the father, are also - great. But where does this boasting thread fit in? Edited January 8, 2011 by Nothingness
The_Break Posted January 8, 2011 Posted January 8, 2011 (edited) I don't understand. The difference that the thread you referred to would have made is "relax"? Come now Big H, I expect more from you than a cop out like this. All that goes without saying. I just think that they would be off consulting someone who specialises in children's growth and development. Anyway, it appears that you care and are doing what you think is right - great - and that the parents, or at least the father, are also - great. But where does this boasting thread fit in? I don't think a child specialist would be a bad idea. I just think that someone who specializes in this kind of thing direct (i.e. cycling coach) carries more weight. Even though health care specialists and doctors understand a lot, they do not understand the "damage" such training can inflict on a child who may have an amazing ability, but due to the fact they start too young, it affects their later development. These areas lie with specialists such as those coaches who have followed and studied the latest information with regards Youth Development and LTAD. I think it fits in under the category of "Proud Parent." Edited January 8, 2011 by The_Break
Roer Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 There is just no pleasing people. I ask you, what's better. Buying your kids something that could keep them healthy and fit (mtbikes) or something like Playstation. The critics of these "expensive toys" and "spoiled kids" are normally hypocrites who buy their kids playstations and crap. Carlo clearly has talent. Good luck to him and his parents. He is an inspiration to my boys.
Capricorn Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 All that goes without saying. I just think that they would be off consulting someone who specialises in children's growth and development. .... that's the pivotal, crucial bit right there
covie Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 a good read http://aappolicy.aappublications.org/cgi/content/full/pediatrics;106/1/154
kosmonooit Posted January 9, 2011 Posted January 9, 2011 Look how China produces its sporting champions, kids with any talent are shipped off to specialist schools where they live the sport 24/7, successful in producing medal winners but leaves them a bit deprived in other areas. Extreme but successful. If the kids shows interest and capability, why not facilitate as much as one can? But its a narrow line between that and spoiling the kid imho.
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