Ashchest Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 ACT 1:18: "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels gushed out." MAT 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself. And the chief priests...bought with them the potter's field." Which of the above did he say? ... Its a bit confusing ...Through the years, the description of Judas Iscariot’s death has been one of the most popular alleged Bible contradictions. It seems as if every skeptical book or Web site that questions the integrity of the Bible lists Judas’ death as one of the most obvious inconsistencies in Scripture. Whereas Matthew records that Judas “went and hanged himself” after betraying Jesus for 30 pieces of silver (27:5), Luke records that “falling headlong, he burst open in the middle and all his entrails gushed out” (Acts 1:18). Because Matthew only mentions Judas being hanged, while Luke mentions Judas falling headlong and bursting open at his midsection, a “real” contradiction supposedly is staring us in the face. The truth of the matter is, however, like the accounts of Jesus’ resurrection (and many other Bible events) these two verses simply supplement each other. It is not an either/or scenario. Judas, indeed, “hanged himself,” and sometime later, his body fell headfirst, causing his midsection to burst open. What would cause his “stomach” or midsection to split open? Consider the following. When a person dies, the body begins to decompose. If left to itself (and not acted upon by the attempt to preserve the body, e.g., embalming), bacteria soon begin to break down various tissues. As a result, gases are released within the body, which in turn cause it to swell. Matthew 27:5 and Acts 1:18 cannot be accepted as legitimately contradicting each other if it is possible for both to be true—and it certainly is scientifically and logistically possible for both incidents to have occurred. Consider a brawl in which two men are fighting to the death. The larger man strikes the undersized man in the throat, crushing his larynx. For nearly 60 seconds, the wounded man stumbles around trying to breathe, but to no avail. He then goes limp, falls to the ground, and strikes his head on the cement, having died from asphyxia. When the police come to the scene and ask witnesses what happened, one person will likely declare, “James struck John and killed him.” Another person may say, “John suffocated,” while another might add, “Falling headfirst, John busted his skull on the ground, causing part of his brain to ooze out onto the concrete.” Are the witnesses’ statements contradictory? No. They are supplementary. Likewise, neither of the statements concerning the death of Judas is contradictory. Simply put, one does not exclude the other. According to ancient tradition, Judas hanged himself above the Valley of Hinnom on the edge of a cliff. Eventually the rope snapped (or was cut or untied), thus causing his body to fall headfirst into the field below, as Luke described. Matthew does not deny that Judas fell and had his entrails gush out, and Luke does not deny that Judas hanged himself. In short, Matthew records the method in which Judas attempted his death. Luke reports the end result.
bikemonster Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Ashchest, your post is reminiscent of the ever-tighter knots that creationists tie themselves into in order to get facts to fit with conclusions that were reached before the facts were known. Keep on at it though; it's really very entertaining.
FruityOne Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Ashchest, your post is reminiscent of the ever-tighter knots that creationists tie themselves into in order to get facts to fit with conclusions that were reached before the facts were known. Keep on at it though; it's really very entertaining.Nobody beats your posts when it comes to entertainment bikemonster
Ashchest Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Keep on at it though; it's really very entertaining. I would love to, but don't have too much time on my hands today, New MD and projects getting out of hand ... A other day perhaps??
bikemonster Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Nobody beats your posts when it comes to entertainment bikemonster Thank you your Fruitiness.
George Nel Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Which of the above did he say? ... Its a bit confusing ...Matt 11:25At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.The childlike are those who believe like children.You see,children believe with faith.My children believe everything I tell them,because they fully trust me and know that I love them more than anything.That's how I feel about God,I fully trust Him and know that He'll never fail me.But those who does'nt know Him,will never trust Him or His word.So,He'll hide the truth from you,because you think yourself clever and wise.
stratus5 Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Matt 11:25At that time Jesus prayed this prayer: "O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, thank you for hiding these things from those who think themselves wise and clever, and for revealing them to the childlike.The childlike are those who believe like children.You see,children believe with faith.My children believe everything I tell them,because they fully trust me and know that I love them more than anything.That's how I feel about God,I fully trust Him and know that He'll never fail me.But those who does'nt know Him,will never trust Him or His word.So,He'll hide the truth from you,because you think yourself clever and wise. Truly, my brain does not allow me the luxury of childlike belief. I was removed from Sunday school at five years of age for asking awkward questions. Clearly my lack of faith was predetermined ... beyond my control ... the tears, trauma and fallout at junior school (head boy) when I stood up and said I cant believe probably took more guts than child/sheep like following ever could. But through it all I only ask questions ... I dont play the man ... Try it
jarek.pski Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 ok May... After easter holidays and after my bday... come what may!!
NielC Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 The world can't end today 'cos it's already tomorrow in Australia!
Woofie Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 The world can't end today 'cos it's already tomorrow in Australia! True, I those poor buggers always seem to get all the bad stuff first.
Rebel Taylor Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 So this means that New Zealand will never win the RWC again. Cool for SA. Always will we be RWC champions.
Edition 507 Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Cheesus Crust!! Could we just get some consensus on this I am my wits ending trying to decide which doomsday cult to follow
Guest agteros Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Could we just get some consensus on this I am my wits ending trying to decide which doomsday cult to follow With you on this... is it tickets for us in December, or in May already... Or some in May, and the others in December.... This is all very foncusing
cat-i Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 Does anybody know if we will be able to take our cycles with us ?only if you vote for the anc.
The Guy in Pink Posted February 8, 2011 Posted February 8, 2011 So the bible can also not be open to interpretation. Recieve and believe. Have a blessed day mate.Why then are there so many different churches?, with the Seventh Day adventists doing it on Saturdays, the Pope and his Clergy doing it alone, The Mormons doing it more times than Zuma, and the Jehova Witnesses believing in the power of the printing presses to name just a few of the multitude of churches, all who have different interperations of the same bible, and all claiming to have the only "truth" Surely if it was not open to interperation there would only be one way of believing, and only one Church?
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