Contador - CAS ruling. (All things Contador/doping - merged)

[Delgado]

Contador is gonna be more determined to race well now...

 

Well done on a fair verdict.

Unless he packs the sport in entirely?!!

[udxcob]

I would have like to see the cow that the steaks came from, it was probably the fittest (active) cow in spain or was the mootie added in after the steaks were cut?

[andydude]

So, who will be this years favourite for the TDF? One of the Schlecks? Or maybe Valverde?

 

At LOOK and StevieL - did you see the new course. It's even more made for Evans! I think he'll take it even easier last this time around.

Edited February 6, 2012 by andydude

[andydude]

You are correct.

 

Personally I am surprised, this is not a criminal case and it seems to me neither party could definitively prove in either of their cases. Which should give the athlete the benefit of the doubt.

 

....so in the end it came down to a case of, "we cant prove you did not ingest the Clen from contaminated food" but "you cant prove you did either", so all we can do is say, "You had Clen in your system, you aren't allowed Clen in your system, you must serve a token sentence".

 

Is that justice?..............I dont think so.

 

I agree, a sad day for the sport.

 

I think what would would've shown more conclusive proof is if they also tested his teammates/riders that ate with him. Maybe in future when they test someone they should test the whole team.

[Big H*]

Good when justice is served, he will now be classified in the same category as Landis, Pantani and Riis

 

A brilliant cyclist who threw it all away.

Edited February 6, 2012 by eccentric1

[kosmonooit]

It;s the same thing as our own JZ being let off those corruption charges by that technicality - does not mean he is innocent right?

 

The verdict here was arrived via the rule book and does not mean he is guilty.

[TNT1]

 

 

Im looking forward to the Vulta.

 

Contador v Froome?

[Wyatt Earp]

Contador v Froome?

Quite amusing, I was singing Froomsters praises for many years and no one even bothered to take any notice.

[goya-goya]

Contador Rocks!...

 

As far as I am concerned the verdict does not prove he was guilty of enhancing his performance(sic)! and the amounts taken... i am not sure you guys understand the volumes that they are describing!!! by the letter of the law he is guilty... but it aint gonna enhance a mouses' performance! And seriously... if you are being tested every day leading into the mountains...because that is your strength...are you gonna risk doing a hack job!

 

In the 2010 tour

He had been in the overall lead since Stage 15 (19 July)

Stage 16 (20 July) He and Schleck finished 6:45 behind the leaders

Rest Day (21 July)

Stage 17 (22 July )He and Schleck finished together at the top of the tourmalet

No real difference between the two.

During the TT Contador only took 31 seconds into Andy... c'mon... in 2011 he put 1:32 into schleck, he even put 36 seconds into Fabian... and this is with no positive any tests!!

 

I think he was out of form when he won in 2010... in 2011 he had the worst year... considering his talent! and still killed the TT...

 

We all have our opinions... MIne is :

NOT GUILTY :clap:

[newcyclist]

Contador Rocks!...

 

As far as I am concerned the verdict does not prove he was guilty of enhancing his performance(sic)! and the amounts taken... i am not sure you guys understand the volumes that they are describing!!! by the letter of the law he is guilty... but it aint gonna enhance a mouses' performance! And seriously... if you are being tested every day leading into the mountains...because that is your strength...are you gonna risk doing a hack job!

 

In the 2010 tour

He had been in the overall lead since Stage 15 (19 July)

Stage 16 (20 July) He and Schleck finished 6:45 behind the leaders

Rest Day (21 July)

Stage 17 (22 July )He and Schleck finished together at the top of the tourmalet

No real difference between the two.

During the TT Contador only took 31 seconds into Andy... c'mon... in 2011 he put 1:32 into schleck, he even put 36 seconds into Fabian... and this is with no positive any tests!!

 

I think he was out of form when he won in 2010... in 2011 he had the worst year... considering his talent! and still killed the TT...

 

We all have our opinions... MIne is :

NOT GUILTY :clap:

 

 

Well Said!

 

This is ridiculous....

 

Eddy Merckx

 

“It’s a sad day for Alberto Contador; it's a sad day for cycling,....“I think people want to kill off cycling.”

[Wyatt Earp]

Well Said!

 

This is ridiculous....

 

Eddy Merckx

 

“It’s a sad day for Alberto Contador; it's a sad day for cycling,....“I think people want to kill off cycling.”

Ridiculous indeed, as the Cannibal was most likely drugged to they eyeballs himself.

[TNT1]

Quite amusing, I was singing Froomsters praises for many years and no one even bothered to take any notice.

 

Yeah. Of course if you sang them here, you do know the praises fell on deaf ears? I mean, this isn't really a forum for followers of the sport, or those with a passion for cycling.

[Delgado]

another one of lance armstrongs ex teammates take down for doping 2 years after riding with lance?

Beg to differ!!! He never behaved like a teammate but rather undermined the whole race to feed his own ego...

[TNT1]

Ridiculous indeed, as the Cannibal was most likely drugged to they eyeballs himself.

 

Surely you jest?

 

Or, just maybe, as with most European fans of cycling, doping is irrelevant, it's a part of the sport, always has been, always will. See, me, a passionate fan, I don't give a rats arse who takes what.

 

Merckx has condemned doping but he tested positive three times.^[5] The first time was in the 1969 Giro d'Italia^[6] where he tested positive for the stimulant Reactivan at Savona, after leading the race through 16 stages. He was expelled from the Giro. The controversy began to swirl when his test results were not handled in the correct manner, they were released to the press before all parties (Merckx and team officials) involved were notified.^[49] Merckx was very upset, and to this day, protests his innocence.^[6] He argued there were no counter-experts nor counter-analysis. He said the stage during which he was allegedly using drugs was easy so there was no need. He said: “ At the time, the controls weren't reliable and I wasn't able to defend myself. They had started on the analysis and the counter-analysis during the night, without anyone from my team's being present. They had, they said, tried to get my manager, Vincenzo Giacotto, by phone, but he hadn't left his room all evening. The following morning, I was in my racing clothes, ready to leave, when they came to tell me I was positive and therefore excluded from the Giro.^[6] ”

 

"I've never seen sporting opinion so inflamed," wrote Marcel De Leener from Belgium. "Even members of parliament have got themselves involved in the affair; the Opposition has questioned the minister of public health in the Lower Chamber, the Cabinet is in an uproar, the Foreign Minister has questioned his opposite number in Italy. In the streets, in factories, in offices, in public transport, they talk of little else."^[50] The Italian federation stuck by its findings but the Belgians refused to agree and it took four hours of debate in Brussels for the professional section of the Union Cycliste Internationale to quash his sentence. The president of the Fédération Internationale du Cyclisme Professional was Félix Lévitan, organiser of the Tour de France. It was diplomacy and, "let us be frank, hypocrisy too", reported Cycling.^[51] The hearing praised the Italians and accepted their evidence; however, Merckx was cleared to ride the Tour. De Leener said:

If on the one hand they have recognised the skill and competence of the doctors in charge of the controls in the Giro, they also took into account the fact that Eddy Merckx had never been found guilty of this before. In other words, they judged the affair sentimentally, with their hearts, instead of considering all the dry facts. If this were not Merckx, would all these artifices have been resorted to? No, without any shadow of doubt, no."

^[51]

Prince Albert of Belgium sent a plane to bring him to Belgium.

Merckx was also found positive after winning the Giro di Lombardia in 1973.^[6] He had taken Mucantil (Iodinated glycerol).^[52] “ It was Dr Cavalli, of Molteni, who prescribed it to me a bit lightly [un peu légèrement]. And he admitted his error publicly. Looking back, I can't see why they could disqualify me for such a ridiculous and inoffensive product as norephedrine."^[6] ”

 

Then he was caught after taking Stimul (pemoline) in the 1977 Flèche Wallonne. Merckx said: “ "That, I can't deny. I was positive along with around 15 others. I was wrong to trust a doctor."^[6] ”

In 1974, a Belgian biochemist, Professor Michel Debackere, perfected a test for a group of piperidine stimulant drugs (Lidepran, Meratran, and Ritalin) which were used by pro cyclists. Since they were now detectable, this group of drugs fell out of favor within the pro peloton, and some riders instead used pemoline, another amphetamine-like drug. Then in 1977, Debackere once again developed a new drug test, which could detect pemoline. This test caught three of the biggest names in Belgium: Merckx, Freddy Maertens and Michel Pollentier.^[53]

The World Anti-Doping Agency removed norephedrine, phenylpropanolamine, from the list of banned drugs in 2004.^[6] Merckx said in 2007 that he wanted the Union Cycliste Internationale to give him back his victory: "I was disqualified for taking a syrup which had been taken off the list of forbidden products." At the time, 1973, banned drugs were listed individually; they were later classed by category.

Because of his doping record, the organisers of the 2007 World Championships in Stuttgart asked Merckx to stay away. The decision was criticized in the press and by the UCI.^[54] When he confirms his stance against doping, Merckx points out that cycling is unfairly treated compared to other sports.

In the 1990s, he became a friend of Lance Armstrong, and supported him when Armstrong was accused of drug use, stating he rather "believed what Lance told him than what appeared in newspapers".

 

For an interesting debate, try:

http://forums.roadbikereview.com/doping-forum/why-doesnt-anyone-talk-about-eddy-merckxs-doping-positive-tests-228791.html

Edited February 6, 2012 by TNT1

[TNT1]

He never behaved like a teammate but rather undermined the whole race to feed his own ego...

 

Spot on description of Lance you got there.

[zonker]

I find it wrong that its retroactive as he was then employed as a pro cyclist during his suspension......he should be fired from his job and serve his 2 years from today.

damn straight.how can it be a 'two year ban'if he has been riding for eighteen of those months?doesnt make sense