Ok how about this suggestion? Admin starts a special clubhouse for all those who want to perv, insult, hijack (can one actually hijack a post about hijacking ???) or generally get low down and dirty. Admin can decide on the screening criteria for this "clubhouse" or whether it is subscription based. The clubhouse could be called: "Below the Belt" or to be more cycling orientated: "Down by the Chamois"! Anyone who posts unacceptable posts outside the clubhouse is banned for 1 month. And by the way, I am going to probably be flamed by both sides for this but I am one of those who spend far less time on the Hub now. I think it should be rebranded as "a general chat forum also frequented by people who happen to cycle" and not "the centre of cycling in south africa" !! But then again I am a little selective when choosing threads to open by waiting for the pop-up window to see the initial post. By choice I browse the race reports, classifieds (although it is also becoming less cycling related by the day as well. I remember the time I tried to sell my son's motorcycle on the hub and was inundated by "pm's" telling me to advertise on Gumtree, Bikefind, ThinkBike etc (I got the valid point !!!!!).)and anything else cycling related. Yesterday I was bored and was "infected" by HR's "boredom" threads (pure and unadulterated "drivel" but he does do it well and like no other!!!.No offence HR but I can see you have been bored for a few days/weeks/months now ) and decided to post something cycling broadly cycling related but also scoring on the "drivel" meter. Removed it after 9 views because I noticed there was enough nonsense already on the hub. The point is this. The hub has always had the odd stirring or nonsense post or thread which have been quite humorous and entertaining (Hey, I have even started some as well), but it is becoming more difficult to find the cycling related threads amongst the junk nowdays. If this is truly "the centre of cycling in south africa" as it states above, then we should be seriously concerned about the future of our sport !!! P.S. The above has not been checked for spelling or grammar mistakes. If you notice any please put a message in a bottle and throw it in the ocean, rather than pm or highlight it over the next 20 posts (don't forget to let go the bottle when you throw now !!!!)