Orval' date=' for an old dude you certainly whine a lot. Firstly, lets clear something up. Just because you ride a bike it does not make you part of some community brotherhood (sorry I'm not sure what you're on about here....this is an OPEN forum, did I say OPEN? Where cyclists who enjoy what they do, discuss stuff with other people - correct me if I'm wrong?) Nobody owes you anything. Nobody is expected to greet you, move for you or give a t0ss that u'r on the trail. (Who said I had this list of expectations? Do you see this in my post? As for you believing that no-one gives a toss for me being on the trail - you disclose a rather self centered perspective that says you could too be a danger to others) So what if this Justin guy was blazing down the trail and didnt slam on brakes and do a scouts handshake with you. We all LOVE the downhills (including myself), so why spoil it for the guy. Simply keep an eye on the trail ahead, move for someone, they move for you, whatever, carry on the ride and have a nice day (I had no time to react - are you telling me this is due to something I did or didn't do? - Huh? I was not the one who neglected to call ahead and warn others around me - how on earth do you logically arrive at this conclusion). Most of all, just relax, because there are no rules on a public trail. I'll repeat, there are NO RULES on a public trail (then you're obviously so unaware of your surroundings you missed the Ride boards posted at the most popular entry/exit points to the trail?). It's free for all to use (Agreed, and these guidelines are to ensure the enjoyment of all). Now you can go and become a member of the Northern farms board (is there such a thing? I'm sure my post count here is under 20 - I don't sit around bumping up my post count with personal attacks like this) and lay down the iron fist of Orvil's law, banning defectors from the park, but at the spruit, just chill out and be cool dude. (perhaps you missed what I said or didn't read my post at all - I'm not for mandating anything, or denying anyone from the enjoyment of their ride, I would like to see more "incidents" of behaviour that reflects a better attitude to other cyclists). Really man, this is pathetic. (And really bust-the-whatever, maybe you should buy a roadbike, shave your legs, take banned substances and swear at everyone who gets in your way, because your attitude stinks, and maybe you'd fit in better elsewhere) [/quote'] - its funny how the really good cyclists are so diplomatic and polite when passing backmarkers in a race as I have witnessed in the early days of the Sabie Classic - its the middle/back of the elite pack wannabees like this dude above who have the abusive attitudes, and who leave their gel wrappers all over the course. Not all riders race Orvor. you're right,it's an open forum, and I gave you my opinion. You can say what you like, diss roadies, whatever noob. do I care, hmmmm let me think....nope. I don't race, and I certainly never throw trash on trails, in fact my Camelbak always ends up stuffed with other's trash when I get home. Don't speculate. Now, Orvor, what did is come here and whine about what you think the rules should be. Some old, unfit, 2 years out of the saddle has been who now thinks he's got the right to stop people on the trail and give them a talking to. GET A LIFE! ...and do the signboards at the Spruit ACTUALLY say that people riding uphill have right of way? Or does it impose a speed limit? I doubt it. I might be wrong though because I dont actually live in that cesspit you people call home, but here in the Cape we just ride and have fun. Nobody whines on the trail, we all just have a laff. bye bye