Irvin85

This just proofs the point that we are being severely overcharged if they are able to sell a bike with a 50% discount and still make money.

Thanks, I don't understand our point at all. Just some facts if you did not know this. 1. Majority of Bicycles is manufactured in Taiwan 2. Merida(Taiwanese company) manufactures for third parties and is one of the largest bike manufacturers in the world. $2.2B turnover 3. Merida is a 35% shareholder of Specialized and produces their bikes in Taiwan like the majority of bicycles that you might think is done elsewhere. the cost to manufacture these bikes is way less than what you actually believe it costs. A sworks frame selling for $6000 probably cost them $500.00 from Merida excl.shipping. lets call it landed cost to the shop at $1000 they work on a markup of 500%. If the halved their markup they would still be making a killing and would still be able to finance all the R&D, sponsors and marketing campaigns and still be able to ride their lambos. In honesty you will probably see a significant uptick on the sales of the Sworks model and a increase in revenue.

No Please don't. Enlighten me with your profound knowledge. I will be the first one to admit when I am wrong.

All can realistically still be covered with a GP % of 50%, problem is when the tail gets to heavy for the dog. Someone somewhere is taking us for a ride. Just thinking at Specialized with their concept stores, there should be financial synergies that actually reduces cost and should result in them being able to get the bike to the consumer cheaper. That seems to not be the case.

I bet you they do not give a rats ass about exclusivity, at the end of the day they just want to make money, so the model that they are currently using is based on manufacturing limited quantities and focusing on margins, or they can focus on volumes at a reduced margin. The thing is they need to find the sweet spot, otherwise they price themselves out of the market and end belly up. How much difference price wise is there really between a top end frame and the entry level carbon frame in manufacturing costs. they use the exact same mold but might be a better carbon. so maybe R1000 in manufacturing costs. It does not cost them more than R5-8k to manufacture a carbon frame at the scale that they are doing it. What is the manufacturing price difference between XTR and SLX? XTR might even be cheaper as they try to cut weight on it and take a knock on durability.

And they are still making money on the 50% discount deals. We have been feeding the machine for years, there is still no justification on paying R2000 for a set of road tyres never mind R250k for a top end bike. If you look at the materials used a top end bike should sell for around the R80-R100k mark and they would still make a decent profit.

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Look it was about Time for these Giant to create a Specialized pedal, it Felt like my Trek to the Canyon took forever on the old Pedals.

I know WC is big on cycling and also very big in keeping up with the joneses. so it will be frowned upon to ride anything that is not a Sworks or similar.

Add Max and Brandon into that group. They might not have been serviced by the same doc but they had the same dealer.

"An Epic drug trial"

Visma will have to revert to plan b or C for Le tour

I am no pro in the field but have struggled with severe back pain as well and have seen quite a few physios and biokineticist. what almost all of them told me is the back is not necessarily the cause of the back pain but as mentioned above it is a symptom of supporting muscles. One thing that is quite common in cyclist is the shortening of hamstrings due to the position when cycling. I would suggest getting a proper stretching routine in place and focus on hamstrings and then him flexors, the other issue might be a weak core. If you did not have any serious back injuries in the past this might help a lot.

We might see Kuss as the designated leader for the Bee's then.

Tadej is doing the Giro as well, so he might be a bit tired for the tour. That might be their saving grace to a level playing field. But I doubt Jonas will be at the starting line.

You usually receive the pin early in the morning about 7ish. they also send it VIA SMS. It really only takes about 15 sec to forward a SMS. if you are unable to do that then maybe you are the clown

I have done a couple of Ironman 70.3's and was training to do my first full when I injured my back. I have spoken to a couple of people who has done Comrades and Ironman and all says the same thing. Comrades is harder on the day but the training for Ironman is way harder if you take into account most of the days you have to do 2 training sessions or a brick session.

Just imagine Nino and Beers in the same team. No one will get close to them.

Woman to watch... write down all entrants as there is not really a elite field. the numbers are shocking

Not really, if you are not a factory team you might be able to get the bikes at "cost" to the retailers. So you are still in for a pretty penny to get a team on the best bikes. times that by 4. The fact of the matter is there is really no reason for a Sworks Epic to cost 300k, the tech and electrical components in it is not nearly close to that. but us cyclist pay it with a smile. so we are feeding the machine. There is not many companies in SA that can fund a MTB team with the best equipment, salaries etc. all adding up to a minimum of 4/5bar and have that as a non deductible tax expense. Hence why I am saying that we are killing pro Mtbing in SA. A few years back we had at least 7 pro mtb teams. how many is left?

When people say the own a Sworks... is that the same as people telling you they went to "Affies" or have a MBA or was part of the "rekkies"?

That is crazy, for the guys in the industry, what does it cost to run a MTB team in SA, lets say you have 4 riders? Just the bikes alone will cost you a fortune, Cycling is killing professional cycling. these outrageous costs for a top end bike make it harder and harder to fund a team.

Please enlighten me then with your insider knowledge? Also I am not talking about south African riders, talking about UCI XCO and downhill riders. But what do they then earn if what I could find is badly skewed?

Did a bit of searching on Pro mtbers salary ranges, seems the majority of the field will earn anything between $150K - $300k a year, with your stars like Nino earning in excess of $1mil sponsorships included. I think if there was proper price money to be won at the Epic we might see a much larger elite field. Total price purse of $5mil with the winning teams walking away with $1mil. Surely that would be something the pro's would really consider.

Interesting to see Kulhavy back at the Epic, did he come out of retirement for this?