Heavydale...I mean Cannondale

[sias]

Christie - hoor bietjie daar by Dilbert wat hy van die Scott Addict dink. Dit help nie jy vergelyk 'n 4 jaar oue ontwerp en tegnologie met die ander vervaardigers se nuutste aanbiedinge nie. Kom ons vergelyk appels met appels.

MWNN - as jy begin praat van Colnago en Pinnarello begin die mense met hulle harte en emosies praat. Die Italianers het maar daardie uitwerking op mense as dit kom by ontwerp.

Voor iemand vra - ek het nog nooit 'n 'Dale, Colnago of enige iets anders as my Scott gery nie, so ek kan nie praat uit ondervinding nie.

[Rakker]

 

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Rakker2007-11-22 03:13:41

[GoLefty!!]

love his work...

[Man with no name]

 

 

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[Man with no name]

christie...... ouch

 

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Ek dink Crux of Spinnekop moet die rol van die Evil Dogbert inneem

Man with no name2007-11-22 03:25:51

[Christie]

 @ Rakker

 

MWNN, the guy in that cartoon is Dilbert's boss, the idiot he tries to explain things to.

Christie2007-11-22 03:30:15

[shaunh]

My RC8000 with complete Dura Ace incl wheels and Ritchey carbon bars, stem & seatpost weighed in at 7.76KG complete with Dura Ace pedals and Serfas carbon cages.

 

IMHO not too bad for an Ally frame!!!

[nellie]

Funny how no one ever complains about a pinarello or Colnago being heavy? Dont get me wrong' date=' I love both, but there seems to be a certain level of prejudice when it comes to Cannondale?[/quote']

 

dis oor daar te veel van die flippen goed is man!

[Rakker]

Ek dink Crux of Spinnekop moet die rol van die Evil Dogbert inneem

 

Wie gaan dan hierdie outjie wees, MWNN? Nou nie dat ek iets insinueer nie...

 

Rakker2007-11-22 03:42:13

[Christie]

Some remarks:

*Pinarello & Colnago never had a "legalize my..." campeign. Americans are the kings of marketing BS

*Scott uses the same integrated headset design as Cannondale, mass of inserts also included in listed frame mass of Scott.

Scott brought the CR1 to the market in 2003. I think it will blow pretty much any 2003 or earlier frame out of the water. (My size 54 CR1  frame weighs 864 grams)

*I am not crazy about my CR1. It is very light, and very stiff, but the frame angles are too steep to my liking. I prefer something more relaxed.

*I dont want to get involved in any "this frame is better than that" discussions. Even if Cannondale bought the same Dedacciai frames as Raleigh & put their badge on them, Crux & Spinnekop would still like them more than any other bike. Most frames are bought based on opinions, not facts, or ever test rides. Like cars, buying the bike is something emotional. Numbers cant overcome that.

*I may sound overly critical of the 6-13. I'm not. I'm critical of the marketing behing it. I am sure it is a very nice frame, just not particularly light, but also not much heavier than sme other frames of its year.

Christie2007-11-22 04:19:12

[Spinnekop]

Most frames are bought based on opinions' date=' not facts, or ever test rides. Like cars, buying the bike is something emotional. [/quote']

And buying a Scott prooves you don't have any emotion? 

 

 

*I may sound overly critical of the 6-13. I'm not. I'm critical of the marketing behing it. I am sure it is a very nice frame' date=' just not particularly light, but also not much heavier than sme other frames of its year.

[/quote']

 

Light.....heavy......it still wipped your and your light ass Scott's butt!!  Not once....not twice.....

 

The proof is in the pooding my friend......wanneer laas het jy roomys ge?et?? 

 

 

[Christie]

Spinnekop, based on your logic it is safe to conclude that Trek is the best bike in the world for stage racing, agreed?  And I think, to add all the wins, Colnago is the absolute best?

Christie2007-11-22 04:38:30

[Jokerman]

But we all agree as TCS members that Dale's are the very best hey..........hie,hie,hie,hie

[AndreZA]

When I bought my Cannondale 5 years ago it was for one reason, I wanted one. I did not care about the weight, who rides it, how many wins it had or anything. I just always wanted one. Only after my setup did I realise that the actual correct bike for me is a Bianchi. But if I change now it will look like I'm following Barloworld, first Cannondale, then Bianchi.

 

 

[greatwhite]

Funny how no one ever complains about a pinarello or Colnago being heavy? Dont get me wrong' date=' I love both, but there seems to be a certain level of prejudice when it comes to Cannondale?[/quote']

 

Nice bikes Pinarello and Colnago - heavy too, just like 'dales. The difference is they don't do BS marketing stunts telling everyone how incredibly light their frame is when its actaully quite a tank.

 

Frame weight is generally never corectly quoted. Often the sub 1kg frames either don't have the headset cups or other bits fitted to the frame and also they seldom have more than a 5yr warranty.

 

not so sure about that - some manufacturers manage to get fairly close to their claimed weight - I'd say a 5% tolerance is acceptable. When its 10%+ out, they know they are propagating a lie. AGAIN see: http://weightweenies.starbike.com/listings/components.php?type=roadframes

 

Note certain manufacturers are consitantly guilty: De rosa, Orbea, Wilier

 

As for warranty - cannondale - lifetime for 1st owner only - do you normally have a frame for more than 5 years? (be honest)

 

[Christie]

Some comments about warranties: IMO the most important question is: How well is it supported by the local agent?

From what I hear, Trek, Bianchi, Cervelo & Giant are very good in this regard.

Specialized & Scott are bad.

 

A lifetime warranty means nothing if you have to wait 6 months for a replacement frame.