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[MTB_Roadie]

nice thread! a positive initiative. "evil flourishes when good men do nothing"

 

in addition - I read that Table mountain have contracted something like 40 armed rangers to patrol the mountain and surrounds - then the next weekend I read of an increase in muggings and bike jacking - WTF?

 

I was there Saturday...not a single guard...don't know what time they get there as I was there around 8:30 starting at Rhodes then all the way Table mountain cable car and back...have not seen any guards

[EigerSA]

I got the same mail from Carte Blanche and have replied

 

For those who dont think there is a syndicate, read on

 

My company phone is programmed to synchronize with our server at predetermined periods during the day and weekdays.

I got jacked 3 weeks ago just off Summit rd - R562, by the same 4 guys that nathrix reported yesterday in the same area. they took my phone as well

Whoever took my phone (wether it be some arb dude who bought it for R100 or someone else) put his SIM in the phone and synched it intentionally (or not) at 02h30 - after hours!

The next day all his contacts appeared in my Outlook folder on my laptop

The names are mostly of Muslim persuassion, there is a few international numbers of places in Lahore and then one called Boss

 

Digest that for a sec.

 

I will meet with Carte Blanch for sure to see if we can get deeper into this

 

i'm not sure what you think this proves? your phone got stolen, and someone else is now using it? what did you think was going to happen? and you have no idea how many times this phone has changed hands and whether the person now using it is even aware that it is a stolen phone; and so what if it has a number of names that you consider to be of Muslim persuasion? but of a reach quite honestly.

[pauloc]

i'm not sure what you think this proves? your phone got stolen, and someone else is now using it? what did you think was going to happen? and you have no idea how many times this phone has changed hands and whether the person now using it is even aware that it is a stolen phone; and so what if it has a number of names that you consider to be of Muslim persuasion? but of a reach quite honestly.

What this does do is provide a start for an investigation. Track the current 'owner' down. Ask him where he got it. Go to that person and blah blah blah....

 

Been watching this thread and the common undertone is that EVERYONE is tired of the bike jackings, those who have been victims and those that have not.

 

Hopefully one of the media guys approached investigates this further, but if not, should we not try raise funds on the hub to pay for a PI to investigate this further? I'm not in the area the jackings are happening, but I'll be happy to contribute if it means it makes the sport safer (and hopefully one day someone will return the favour if the same happens in my local haunts).

[Honkdonk]

Dave, I like this post, it explains the emotion, concern, fear and resentment many of us feel.

Keep strong my friend, we are all with you and behind you.

I suggest all of us from this area meet somewhere on the weekend ?

 

Cheers

 

Sat arvie works for me.

[EigerSA]

What this does do is provide a start for an investigation. Track the current 'owner' down. Ask him where he got it. Go to that person and blah blah blah....

 

Been watching this thread and the common undertone is that EVERYONE is tired of the bike jackings, those who have been victims and those that have not.

 

Hopefully one of the media guys approached investigates this further, but if not, should we not try raise funds on the hub to pay for a PI to investigate this further? I'm not in the area the jackings are happening, but I'll be happy to contribute if it means it makes the sport safer (and hopefully one day someone will return the favour if the same happens in my local haunts).

 

that's my point. carte-blanche and other media will just report that a bunch of guys who have enough disposable income to drop 20g's plus on a bike and are now bitching that their toys are being nicked is not exactly going to bring you the type of sympathy you need to get people to act on this.

 

when this stuff happened in giba, one of the best pi's (and cops) was brought in and the guys were caught, and there was no syndicate (one of the bikes was found stuffed into the thatching of the robbers house). my point is you guys have to solve this problem yourselves, carte-blanche and rest are going to do nothing except report it, big-deal.

 

get the guys from the area together, form a body with a head who can meet with the cpf, the police and the cpf of the area suspected of harboring these guys. carte-blanche is not a magic bullet.

[Honkdonk]

i'm not sure what you think this proves? your phone got stolen, and someone else is now using it? what did you think was going to happen? and you have no idea how many times this phone has changed hands and whether the person now using it is even aware that it is a stolen phone; and so what if it has a number of names that you consider to be of Muslim persuasion? but of a reach quite honestly.

 

Have you had a gun or knife shoved in your face? Watched your bike that cost alot or a little ridden away by some thug and his mates as they jeer and laugh at you? Do you know what its like to see other groups of potential thugs in the path and have a knee jerk reaction and lump them all the same category? Try getting back on your bike alone and come across some innocent bystander taking a slash behind a tree. See what your heartrate does then!

 

It may lead to nothing, but it may lead to something sooo much bigger

 

Have faith As I for one dont like the thoughts that come to mind when i replay the incidents out in my mind and I dont want this to continue and I want to enjoy my section of the trail and feel safe on my own.

 

The world is meant to be a safe place, but the actions of a few ruin of it for many

[EigerSA]

Have you had a gun or knife shoved in your face? Watched your bike that cost alot or a little ridden away by some thug and his mates as they jeer and laugh at you? Do you know what its like to see other groups of potential thugs in the path and have a knee jerk reaction and lump them all the same category? Try getting back on your bike alone and come across some innocent bystander taking a slash behind a tree. See what your heartrate does then!

 

It may lead to nothing, but it may lead to something sooo much bigger

 

Have faith As I for one dont like the thoughts that come to mind when i replay the incidents out in my mind and I dont want this to continue and I want to enjoy my section of the trail and feel safe on my own.

 

The world is meant to be a safe place, but the actions of a few ruin of it for many

 

actually I have had a gun in my face, being the victim of an armed robbery at home involving 4 guys most recently, as well as the odd occasion over the years in the police force. i have no idea of your point here?

 

My point is that so often we all complain about something and then wait for someone else to do something about it. i'm genuinely hoping that people don't see the media or carte-blanche as a problem solver because they are not. these people affected have to get stuck in themselves, i'd much rather watch carte-blanche report on have the problem was resolved rather than just report on the problem itself without result.

[Caerus]

actually I have had a gun in my face, being the victim of an armed robbery at home involving 4 guys most recently, as well as the odd occasion over the years in the police force. i have no idea of your point here?

 

My point is that so often we all complain about something and then wait for someone else to do something about it. i'm genuinely hoping that people don't see the media or carte-blanche as a problem solver because they are not. these people affected have to get stuck in themselves, i'd much rather watch carte-blanche report on have the problem was resolved rather than just report on the problem itself without result.

 

Its more to make people aware of whats going on, a lot of people don't even know this is happening. Carte Blanche cant solve the problem, this we know.

[Honkdonk]

actually I have had a gun in my face, being the victim of an armed robbery at home involving 4 guys most recently, as well as the odd occasion over the years in the police force. i have no idea of your point here?

 

My point is that so often we all complain about something and then wait for someone else to do something about it. i'm genuinely hoping that people don't see the media or carte-blanche as a problem solver because they are not. these people affected have to get stuck in themselves, i'd much rather watch carte-blanche report on have the problem was resolved rather than just report on the problem itself without result.

 

Point t is that it is a symptom of the society we live in. We cant rely on the authorities to get to the bottom of it and need the buy in of media and other formats to bring this out into the open so that all are aware of for the safety of others. They are not the problem solvers but may be able to scratch open this issue that will then get it the notice it deserves.

 

I have mailed my Residents chairman and will get onto the area plot watch. I have been in touch with eblockwatch but where does it stop? Who will take it on?

[covie]

The only way i can think of this getting some attention in the western cape is to make a formal petition to the Major's office where we solemly swear we will abstain from voting in the next elections if we dont see considerable progress.

 

Doubt it will work in ANC controlled area's but it might just work in DA controlled area's.

[Wyatt Earp]

i'm genuinely hoping that people don't see the media or carte-blanche as a problem solver because they are not

 

No, they are seeing it as a last resort to perhaps get the enforcers of law to actually start getting actively involved.

 

This has been going on for ages and is getting progressively worse, so all avenues have been exhausted, leaving us with a vigilante approach which will see the victims (us) end up behind bars.

 

We are tired of the cops telling us we are "riding in the jungles" and there is very little they can do.

 

Gosh I have seen more police vehicles at a mugging of a farm worker than what I have seen at the presidents state of the nation speech (exaggeration for dramatic effect)

[TNT1]

 

Gosh I have seen more police vehicles at a mugging of a farm worker than what I have seen at the presidents state of the nation speech (exaggeration for dramatic effect)

 

Still working on that sarcasm font?

[nathrix]

Nothing wrong in reporting the problem. The media won't solve the problem FOR US, but they assist us in reporting about it to get more people involved. The whole idea is to debate about the problem we have with us many people as possible and find a solution so that the correct action can be taken.

[EigerSA]

No, they are seeing it as a last resort to perhaps get the enforcers of law to actually start getting actively involved.

 

This has been going on for ages and is getting progressively worse, so all avenues have been exhausted, leaving us with a vigilante approach which will see the victims (us) end up behind bars.

 

We are tired of the cops telling us we are "riding in the jungles" and there is very little they can do.

 

Gosh I have seen more police vehicles at a mugging of a farm worker than what I have seen at the presidents state of the nation speech (exaggeration for dramatic effect)

 

if this is the last resort, what other steps were taken? how many of those affected have joined their local cpf's? how many have opened up cases and actively followed up with the detective? what's actually been done to get to grips with this?

 

what are you expecting the cops to do? do you honestly think they're going to put you to the head of the queue, jump you ahead of the staggering amount of rapes and murders and assaults that 95% of the rest of the population has reported? if you choose to ride in remote spots, should the cops be pulled away from their regular patrols just to look after you, will you still feel the same way when a family becomes a statistic because you guys knowingly and happily put yourselves at risk?

[pezulu]

actually I have had a gun in my face, being the victim of an armed robbery at home involving 4 guys most recently, as well as the odd occasion over the years in the police force. i have no idea of your point here?

 

My point is that so often we all complain about something and then wait for someone else to do something about it. i'm genuinely hoping that people don't see the media or carte-blanche as a problem solver because they are not. these people affected have to get stuck in themselves, i'd much rather watch carte-blanche report on have the problem was resolved rather than just report on the problem itself without result.

 

 

My personal opinion is that getting Carte Blanche and/or the other media involved is a great idea. Unfortunately they want the whole story, and are not going to be doing any investigating on their own. They want the story, together with the investigation and possible conclusions, before they will air it.

 

Over the past few months that we have been members of this forum, we have read a number of reports regarding people that have been bike jacked.

Some of the incidents may have been more violent than others, while some may have been relatively violence free.

The bottom line is that the cyclists have gone through a traumatic experience, and each person experiences trauma differently.

 

There have also been a number of suggestions that something should be done.

Unfortunately the suggestions remain just that - suggestions.

 

Cyclists MUST get pro-actively involved in safeguarding their own sport. Nobody else is going to do it.

Let us start taking the suggestions and turning them into actions.

[EigerSA]

My personal opinion is that getting Carte Blanche and/or the other media involved is a great idea. Unfortunately they want the whole story, and are not going to be doing any investigating on their own. They want the story, together with the investigation and possible conclusions, before they will air it.

 

Over the past few months that we have been members of this forum, we have read a number of reports regarding people that have been bike jacked.

Some of the incidents may have been more violent than others, while some may have been relatively violence free.

The bottom line is that the cyclists have gone through a traumatic experience, and each person experiences trauma differently.

 

There have also been a number of suggestions that something should be done.

Unfortunately the suggestions remain just that - suggestions.

 

Cyclists MUST get pro-actively involved in safeguarding their own sport. Nobody else is going to do it.

Let us start taking the suggestions and turning them into actions.

 

said far more succinctly than I ever could...