Sit back and have a good........

[hagar]

 

Found this on the PPA site today

 

CYCLING MARSHALS NEEDED: We are looking for cycling marshals to assist at funrides (riding in their seeded groups)' date=' primarily wrt the ?white line rule? and littering. In particular, we need cycling marshals with a seeding of A to L, who usually ride the longer routes. Contact the PPA office if you are keen.

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the link are broken tried it yesterday

[Jason]

 

Found this on the PPA site today

 

CYCLING MARSHALS NEEDED: We are looking for cycling marshals to assist at funrides (riding in their seeded groups)' date=' primarily wrt the ?white line rule? and littering. In particular, we need cycling marshals with a seeding of A to L, who usually ride the longer routes. Contact the PPA office if you are keen.

[/quote']

the link are broken tried it yesterday

Try this, Contact the PPA office
Jason2007-12-05 04:11:02

[Joe Low]

 

Found this on the PPA site today

 

CYCLING MARSHALS NEEDED: We are looking for cycling marshals to assist at funrides (riding in their seeded groups)' date=' primarily wrt the ?white line rule? and littering. In particular, we need cycling marshals with a seeding of A to L, who usually ride the longer routes. Contact the PPA office if you are keen.

[/quote']

the link are broken tried it yesterday

Try this, Contact the PPA office

 

So if we'd waited a day we could have saved 30 pages of heartache - they were going to do this anyway.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Joe Low2007-12-05 04:21:32

[nochain]

Agreed windbreaker... And the Pro's are cyclists too. We need them to buy into this as well... I actually don't advocate rolling closures... Just saying if we can't all consciously abide by the rules' date=' and this is evident in certain racing bunches, then we need to be forced to abide.

Start with the pro's, those who decide to stick to the rules, cool, those who don't need to have the full force of cycling's governing body brought to bear upon them since they are all members of the said body. Implement this at the highest level of the sport and we can roll it out to the rest from there....

Otherwise.. I still don't see any top teams, cyclists, managers coming out and voicing an opinion... because what we are advocating isn't really what they want to hear...
[/quote']

 

Our pro's should not race unless they have rolling or full road closure.This should maybe even be the norm for all racing bunches(very debatable).

 

We expect these guy's to perform on the international stage but we want to use things like white line rules and keep them from racing the way it is done in the rest of the world??

 

 

As far as I am concerned this rule should not exist at all for "racing groups" and races that want Elite riders to compete in there races should make sure that they have one of these in place.At the very least it should be part of the criteria of a race to be catogorized as a "classic".

 

 

[Pantani]

 

 

We expect these guy's to perform on the international stage but we want to use things like white line rules and keep them from racing the way it is done in the rest of the world??

 

This is a very good point nochain.... And I also saw some of it coming through in Groot Lem's post about parents wanting to teach their children the art of racing but going about it without a clue, just he didn't develop it. Maybe he was just angry... lol

 

I also believe that we need a solution for racing, otherwise like someone else said in this thread, all we have is fun rides... And our Pro's, well they just fun riders too...

 

[nochain]

 

We expect these guy's to perform on the international stage but we want to use things like white line rules and keep them from racing the way it is done in the rest of the world??

This is a very good point nochain.... And I also saw some of it coming through in Groot Lem's post about parents wanting to teach their children the art of racing but going about it without a clue' date=' just he didn't develop it. Maybe he was just angry... lol

I also believe that we need a solution for racing, otherwise like someone else said in this thread, all we have is fun rides... And our Pro's, well they just fun riders too...
[/quote']

 

Yes Pantani,Guttering is part of the natural selection process in cycling.If we don't offer them this "tool" then how will we every be able to determine who really has what it takes??

 

There are so many examples of top europeen pro's that lost races due to Guttering.

Now we expect our pro's to just get of the plane and compete??

 

Same goes for the other racing bunches.Many of these guy's want to go to worlds and compete against guy's that use guttering as a tactic on a weekly bases??

[Pantani]

So race organisers, CSA, PPA and whatever bodies there are. Is there a way of organising racing that ensures that we don't retard that standard of racing in this country?

 

I know that since I'm not a Pro the answer for me is easy... When I am riding in my VA category I'll just ride on the left side of the white line.

 

But for the guys who might want to develop their skills and utilise their tactics to the fullest... Well chaps... you're on your own!

 

[Sean]

So race organisers' date=' CSA, PPA and whatever bodies there are. Is there a way of organising racing that ensures that we don't retard that standard of racing in this country?

I know that since I'm not a Pro the answer for me is easy... When I am riding in my VA category I'll just ride on the left side of the white line.

But for the guys who might want to develop their skills and utilise their tactics to the fullest... Well chaps... you're on your own!
[/quote']

Pantani, you should change your name! You're like a bulldog with a bone.... let it go already..

This subject is clearly VERY close to your heart? 10/10 for persistence

[Delgado]

The motorists couldn't care less or even know that there is a race on the go and if the whole of the road is to be utilised then there must be full road closure!!! The only thing this picture indicts in the mind of motorists is that cyclists deserve to be despised and that sad thing is that they extend this feeling and create a stereotype of all of us!! Pathetic!! Motorists in general in this country are just as bad and behave in a similar vein so I guess we kind of deserve each other!! Bottom line is we are not doing ourselfs any favours by the moment captured in this photograph and we can only clean up our act by regulating our own behaviour!! Broken window concept!! These guys must be taken to task and don't compare us with Europe to justify behaviour like this!!

[Naas V]

 

Good evening all. I must confess that tonight is the first chance I have had to get online and "hub". I am deeply concerned over what I have seen. The matter is being discussed with PPA and a formal statement from the event will follow.

 

On a personal note it saddens me when so much hard work is laid waste by the actions of the selfish few. I don't think many of you realise what goes into hosting an event of the nature of Die Burger Fietstoer. Most of the team were on the fields the whole week-end and very few had more than an hour or two's sleep before the event started. We were all there cleaning up while everyone else was watching the cricket late afternoon' date=' I cannot accept that cyclist have so little respect for their own lives let alone others as to behave in the manner as is shown in the pictures.

 

It is easy to expect the organisers to police the issue and effect disqualifications!! Quite frankly I find this unacceptable. The manpower requirements for an event of this nature are massive and to expect any organiser to lay on even more people to take numbers of every transgressor is totally impossible. In short what we are doing is penalising the organisers because, we as cyclists, fail to obey the simplist of rules. Come on guys start playing the game and at least have the decency to obey the single most important rule of them all - Stay left of the white line

 

Many lessons were learnt from this last week-ends event and we look forward to improving the event for 2008.

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Groot Lem het gepraat van rolling road closures asook sy redes hoekom hy nie meer ligas ry nie.

 

Daar's n paar kernprobleme:

• Ons land se mees NB reel van die pad is: hou links - fietsryers dink hulle het vrystelling gekry;
• PPA en die commissaires innie Kaap verskil oor die toepassing van die WLR - so hulle probeer dubbele standaarde handhaaf en vertrou naiwelik alles gaan reg verloop;
• David B dink hulle het alles reg beplan en fietsryers voel weer as hulle nie race na race ge-monitor word nie, kan hulle maar maak soos die fietsryer reg voor hom;

Vir my is die bottomline:

• Geen roadclosure - dan hou jy links;

• Rolling roadclosure - nie rerig 'n opsie nie, daar is hopeloos te veel bunches wat ontwikkel in 'n race - moeilike een die!
• As jy oortree word jy ge-DQ.
• Full road closure is die oplossing veral vir al ons hoe profiel races.

David B, die opmerking van jou hierbo laat my dink aan al die  kwota onderworpe sportspanne in ons land waar die  TV onderhoude altyd wys hoe die spanbestuurders se  nadat hulle in hulle moer in verloor het  " maar ons het darem ondervinding opgedoen en baie geleer"

 

Na die laaste 4-5 jaar se herhaaldelike probleme van hierdie aard, behoort jy/julle rerig nou al baie ondervinding opgedoen het en baie geleer het.

 

Dink jy nie dis tyd dat julle iets daadwerkliks doen nie of voel jy julle moet nog ondervinding opdoen?

 

In groot maatskappye is daar altyd 'n verantwoordelike persoon wat of dinge regstel, voortydig,  of die blaam neem en ge-fire word.

 

Nee, daar word nou foto's gesoek - rerig vreemd!

 

[Legpower]

Naas nice reply.

 

Have the PPA thought of spot checks like is done on bike equipment for the Leagues.....

 

Maybe one or two motorcycles roaming up and down and checking.......

 

With cameras to take the offence.

 

Rather some monitoring than none.

[BMCfan]

Naas nice reply.

 

Have the PPA thought of spot checks like is done on bike equipment for the Leagues.....

 

Maybe one or two motorcycles roaming up and down and checking.......

 

With cameras to take the offence.

 

Rather some monitoring than none.

 

Gaan julle nie klaarkry nie?

 

Maar op daai noot - ek wil 'n motorfiets koop, sal die PPA my 'n Allowance gee (so helfte van die maandelikse paaiement per maand is wat in gedagte het). dan sal ek so een of twee FUNrides per maand marshall. hulle sal ook hulle kamera vir my moet leen.

[Rent-Smart]

 

Fkin funriders.

 

Looks like cycling just died if people like you think that everybody on two wheels (without an engine) not racing againist oncoming trafiic are just Fkin funriders.

I will use up my few Pre-Entry tickets and shall never pay money for fun-riding again. Maybe it has a tiny impact on your price money somehow.

Just hope you guys don't manage to kill the last fun to be had THE ARGUS too.

 

 

 

[Rent-Smart]

Why not?

 

Tour de France top pros get banned too or not?

 

[BikeMax]

 

Agreed windbreaker... And the Pro's are cyclists too. We need them to buy into this as well... I actually don't advocate rolling closures... Just saying if we can't all consciously abide by the rules' date=' and this is evident in certain racing bunches, then we need to be forced to abide.

 

Start with the pro's, those who decide to stick to the rules, cool, those who don't need to have the full force of cycling's governing body brought to bear upon them since they are all members of the said body. Implement this at the highest level of the sport and we can roll it out to the rest from there....

 

Otherwise.. I still don't see any top teams, cyclists, managers coming out and voicing an opinion... because what we are advocating isn't really what they want to hear...

[/quote']

 

Our pro's should not race unless they have rolling or full road closure.This should maybe even be the norm for all racing bunches(very debatable).

 

We expect these guy's to perform on the international stage but we want to use things like white line rules and keep them from racing the way it is done in the rest of the world??

 

 

As far as I am concerned this rule should not exist at all for "racing groups" and races that want Elite riders to compete in there races should make sure that they have one of these in place.At the very least it should be part of the criteria of a race to be catogorized as a "classic".

 

 

 

Maybe you could explain to me why guttering is less effective simply because there is a physical gutter as opposed to a "white line" gutter ?

 

You can create a gutter just as effectively using the white line - provided nobody crosses it.

 

This has nothing to do with the inability of local pro's to compete overseas IMO - a red herring.

 

[Pantani]

White line gutter... Hmm, now there's a novel concept...