MTB Tyre Choices

[Natie S]

I was responding to your question

Lol. Sorry for that. Didn’t see.

 

 

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[Milkman]

you okes spend way too much time fretting over the size of your rubber and not learning how use it properly.

didn't the OP say he rides a bit of trail and lot of road?

You should know by now that if you don’t ride flat pedals , dropper post , 2,6” tires with a 140 mm fork styling baggies you’re just not gnarly enough for the hub, “ bro” !

#enduro ???????? # flying down the spruit . ????

Edited March 18, 2019 by Milkman

[DieselnDust]

You should know by now that if you don’t ride flat pedals , dropper post , 2,6” tires with a 140 mm fork styling baggies you’re just not gnarly enough for the hub, “ bro” !

#enduro # flying down the spruit .

LOL

Good point

[Rigardt@Scott]

You know the Green Belt in Constantia is also a trail and people who ride it are trail riders right? Triail does not equal gap jumps and fast loose berms etc etc.

Once again, world between Ikons and Minnions. Something like an Ardent is very suitable for most riders on most conditions. No one is suggesting trails equates to gap jumps and loose corners.

 

An Ikon was designed as a cross country tyre for the rear wheel. Putting that on the front of a beginner rider's bike is silly - they are the ones that need the extra grip and confidence more than anyone. Once again, not suggesting a DH tyre, but a medium grip, well roling trail tyre is way more suitable.

 

Things that come to mind:

- Maxxis Ardent or Rekon

- Spez Ground Control or Purgatory

- WTB Trail Boss

 

I use a 2.4 Ardent on my XC/light trail hardtail, it rolls well, doesn't wear fast even with use on tar, and grips well enough to go down some steep and loose stuff with confidence. Paired with an Ardent race or Ikon on the rear - that's a combo that makes sense for the large majority of riders on the large majority of SA trails.

[MORNE]

29" ??

sorry didn't read through it all.

ONZA IBEX 2.4?.. evo has a REALLY good deal on them atm. got me a pair. R550 down from R895

Edited March 18, 2019 by morneS555

[DieselnDust]

Once again, world between Ikons and Minnions. Something like an Ardent is very suitable for most riders on most conditions. No one is suggesting trails equates to gap jumps and loose corners.

 

An Ikon was designed as a cross country tyre for the rear wheel. Putting that on the front of a beginner rider's bike is silly - they are the ones that need the extra grip and confidence more than anyone. Once again, not suggesting a DH tyre, but a medium grip, well roling trail tyre is way more suitable.

 

Things that come to mind:

- Maxxis Ardent or Rekon

- Spez Ground Control or Purgatory

- WTB Trail Boss

 

I use a 2.4 Ardent on my XC/light trail hardtail, it rolls well, doesn't wear fast even with use on tar, and grips well enough to go down some steep and loose stuff with confidence. Paired with an Ardent race or Ikon on the rear - that's a combo that makes sense for the large majority of riders on the large majority of SA trails.

 

 

IKON was developed as an all round XC tyre. Not as a rear tyre. 

[Dom031]

Hey all,

What's the max recommended tyre width for a 21mm rim please?

Thanks

 

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[DieselnDust]

Hey all,

What's the max recommended tyre width for a 21mm rim please?

Thanks

 

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What is the brand and model of rim?

 

but have a read here.:

https://www.notubes.com/technology/wide-right

Edited March 18, 2019 by DieselnDust

[Dom031]

What is the brand and model of rim?

21mm wide Spez Roval alloy 29" on the front.

ZTR crest mk3 at the back, assume it's also 21mm wide?

 

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Edited March 18, 2019 by Dom031

[Rigardt@Scott]

IKON was developed as an all round XC tyre. Not as a rear tyre.

That's all you got from my post?

 

I love how you are easy to point out the "extremes" that are apparently assumed by hubbers (equating all trail riding to gap jumps and loose corners, how we jump to agressors and other over the top tyres), yet you yourself seem to reside on the other extreme end of the spectrum and simply cannot concede to a more measured and reasonable "down the middle" suggestion.

 

Either way, all round XC tyre does not equate to an all round tyre for the front of a trail bike.

 

OP, take whatever advice you want. I am sure you will settle on a tyre you like on the front through some trial and error. My experience, the Ikon is a great rear tyre, lacks a bit on the front of an all round trail bike.

[Rigardt@Scott]

Edit: Double post.

Edited March 18, 2019 by Grease_Monkey

[Rigardt@Scott]

21mm wide Spez Roval alloy 29" on the front.

ZTR crest mk3 at the back, assume it's also 21mm wide?

 

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We used to run 2.5" tyres on those narrow rims back in the early 2000's. It's not ideal, as you have to increase pressure a bit more than on a wider rim.

 

Ideally I'd stick to something in the 2.2 to 2.35 range. My wife seems to get along well with a 2.25 Ibex on the same rims as yours.

[DieselnDust]

21mm wide Spez Roval alloy 29" on the front.

ZTR crest mk3 at the back, assume it's also 21mm wide?

 

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Crest Mk 3 is 23mm wide internal width. It should be good for up to 2.25 maybe even a 2.35. Notubes.com recommends  2.00 to 2.25 for optimum performance. I'd say the Roval will have the same tyre recommendation.

[Dom031]

We used to run 2.5" tyres on those narrow rims back in the early 2000's. It's not ideal, as you have to increase pressure a bit more than on a wider rim.

 

Ideally I'd stick to something in the 2.2 to 2.35 range. My wife seems to get along well with a 2.25 Ibex on the same rims as yours.

Crest Mk 3 is 23mm wide internal width. It should be good for up to 2.25 maybe even a 2.35. Notubes.com recommends 2.00 to 2.25 for optimum performance. I'd say the Roval will have the same tyre recommendation.

Thank you both of the replies and info.

 

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[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

The rider and bike are probably riding the short to medium routes, still building fitness and confidence. The IKON is perfect for this type of rider.

Yet somehow the word "trail" links to "aggressor, "Magic Mary" etc.

You know the Green Belt in Constantia is also a trail and people who ride it are trail riders right? Triail does not equal gap jumps and fast loose berms etc etc.

No, an Ikon is NOT a good front tyre for your average MTB rider. Still building confidence means that they'll require superior levels of grip, far more than what an Ikon would be able to give in inexperienced hands. 

 

Yes, the green belt is a trail. But it's just one of the many trails in CT, and has everything except loose-over-hard & gravel. It's got roots, rocks, loam, mud, sand, hardpack and everything inbetween, so your best bet would be to get a tyre that excels at all of those. That is NOT an Ikon. That IS something like the Ardent 2.4 (which I personally dislike) and the Aggressor, Mary, Minion DHF and so on. You CAN opt for lighter casings such as the Exo, Grid or Snakeskin from the various stables, but to tell Joe Average that the Ikon is a great all-round front tyre is foolish and misses the point entirely, unless they're only doing gravel grinding or are at the pointy end of the field where weight is prioritised over grip.

 

This is 2019, when good, grippy tyres are available at decent weights, and you're telling them to get a fast-rolling XCM/XCO focused tyre which offers nowhere near the grip levels that an average Joe requires in order to facilitate confidence & skills development and progression. 

Edited March 19, 2019 by Captain Fatbastard Mayhem

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

21mm wide Spez Roval alloy 29" on the front.

ZTR crest mk3 at the back, assume it's also 21mm wide?

 

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As Grease Monkey said, we used to run 2.5's on 19 & 21mm internal rims before we "knew better" but we weren't able to run them at the same pressures we can at the moment on our wider rims. What I'd suggest is the 2.3 aggressor which, while it's narrower and less aggressive than the 2.5 aggressor (has shorter knobs), will fit your rims much better and will offer levels of grip that the Ikon can only dream of. Then an Ikon for the back, 'cos that's where it belongs.