PPA cut cord with CSA

[Frosty]

Carnival City Macsteel National Classsic

Kremetart

The NEW Fast One (yes, they changed to ChampionChip this year)

Cansa Lost City

Century1 Bela Bela Classic

The Sungardens Carosel Classic

 

Feel free to add a race to this list if you're outside of the old TVL.

 

Race For Victory was a CC-timed race prior to 2011, and they've changed to Racetec, which probably gives them more exposure for entries because it's a seeding race.

 

Let me reiterate my point - if more than one timing company can quote on timing, and the race organiser can choose and is not excluded from seeding for big events, then you have healthy competition and not a monopoly.

Edited February 9, 2012 by geraldm24

[Cassie]

It's about time that a very clear distinction bemade between weekend warriors andetc. and olympic candidates...

 

WE don't need abny CSA affiliation!!

just a place to ride safely..

[Chris Willemse]

Yes here we go again. It takes us back a few years when so many cyclists had all things to say about the SACF admin team [ about 5 - 10 years ago ] I recall all the postings about the Dales stealing money. About certain unknown people making accusations about Gotty Hansen and Bart Harmse the former Pres and Vice Pres..

 

But the sad thing is that Sylvia took them to court after been accused of many things and she won the case. I remember a few years ago we still had a few million rand in the SACF bank account. We had the Tri Nations and many teams been send abroad.

 

Then came the so called take over. Gotty got kicked out and the same to Baart. New blood. New gravy train. No more teams abroad. No more Tri Nations ect ect. And now NO MORE MONEY and possible bankruptcy for CSA.

 

Surely those okes need to be taken on and possible pay for the wrong decisions that they have taken.

[Kranswurm]

Carnival City Macsteel National Classsic

Kremetart

The NEW Fast One (yes, they changed to ChampionChip this year)

Cansa Lost City

Century1 Bela Bela Classic

The Sungardens Carosel Classic

 

Feel free to add a race to this list if you're outside of the old TVL.

 

Race For Victory was a CC-timed race prior to 2011, and they've changed to Racetec, which probably gives them more exposure for entries because it's a seeding race.

 

Let me reiterate my point - if more than one timing company can quote on timing, and the race organiser can choose and is not excluded from seeding for big events, then you have healthy competition and not a monopoly.

 

Why dont you start a seperate moan and groan thread about this.

[rpedro]

Cycling South Africa Announcements – 09 February 2012

1. Cycling South Africa hereby announces the resignation of David Bellairs who served on the Board as Director Recreation. The Board would like to thank David for his service and wish him well.

2. The recent media article announcing the disaffiliation of Pedal Power Association from Cycling South Africa does come as a shock as it precedes the constitution-discussion meeting scheduled for 18 February 2012 where all affiliates will have an opportunity to raise any concerns. Like any other affiliate, PPA no doubt is an important entity and has done a significant amount of work to the benefit of not only those involved in cycling, but to the broader public. We sincerely appreciate the work being done by PPA.

3. As mentioned with the cancellation announcement of the 2012 Tour of South Africa, the financial issues pertaining to the Tour were to be resolved after meetings with the joint Board comprising Cycling SA and Primedia. Primedia have in the meantime issued a letter requesting payment of outstanding finances. Cycling SA will be engaging with Primedia to resolve this matter.

[Joker]

Carnival City Macsteel National Classsic

Kremetart

The NEW Fast One (yes, they changed to ChampionChip this year)

Cansa Lost City

Century1 Bela Bela Classic

The Sungardens Carosel Classic

 

Feel free to add a race to this list if you're outside of the old TVL.

 

Race For Victory was a CC-timed race prior to 2011, and they've changed to Racetec, which probably gives them more exposure for entries because it's a seeding race.

 

Let me reiterate my point - if more than one timing company can quote on timing, and the race organiser can choose and is not excluded from seeding for big events, then you have healthy competition and not a monopoly.

 

This issue have been going on for years - I remember the Kremetart being timed by Racetec an that year it was seeded.

 

The next year well we all know the history - in a free and transparent economy we would expect this not to be a problem - Personally I want to be seeded on all my Races not just those prescribed by ....

[Java001]

Yes here we go again. It takes us back a few years when so many cyclists had all things to say about the SACF admin team [ about 5 - 10 years ago ] I recall all the postings about the Dales stealing money. About certain unknown people making accusations about Gotty Hansen and Bart Harmse the former Pres and Vice Pres..

 

But the sad thing is that Sylvia took them to court after been accused of many things and she won the case. I remember a few years ago we still had a few million rand in the SACF bank account. We had the Tri Nations and many teams been send abroad.

 

Then came the so called take over. Gotty got kicked out and the same to Baart. New blood. New gravy train. No more teams abroad. No more Tri Nations ect ect. And now NO MORE MONEY and possible bankruptcy for CSA.

 

Surely those okes need to be taken on and possible pay for the wrong decisions that they have taken.

 

+ 1000

[dgm]

anyone else who agrees Argus is a bit on the expensice side? . Big walk has always been R50, so why do they need to charge R300 and even R600 for sustitution entries. Whoever must be making truckoads of money and from what I understand the city closes roads, not paid for through our entry fees, or am i missing something?

[Skubarra]

Carnival City Macsteel National Classsic

Kremetart

etc

 

Point taken, a bit ignorant about races north of the Hex River pass

[ccc2]

Yes here we go again. It takes us back a few years when so many cyclists had all things to say about the SACF admin team [ about 5 - 10 years ago ] I recall all the postings about the Dales stealing money. About certain unknown people making accusations about Gotty Hansen and Bart Harmse the former Pres and Vice Pres..

 

But the sad thing is that Sylvia took them to court after been accused of many things and she won the case. I remember a few years ago we still had a few million rand in the SACF bank account. We had the Tri Nations and many teams been send abroad.

 

Then came the so called take over. Gotty got kicked out and the same to Baart. New blood. New gravy train. No more teams abroad. No more Tri Nations ect ect. And now NO MORE MONEY and possible bankruptcy for CSA.

 

Surely those okes need to be taken on and possible pay for the wrong decisions that they have taken.

 

Take them on Chris.

[DJR]

anyone else who agrees Argus is a bit on the expensice side? . Big walk has always been R50, so why do they need to charge R300 and even R600 for sustitution entries. Whoever must be making truckoads of money and from what I understand the city closes roads, not paid for through our entry fees, or am i missing something?

No, I disagree. I feel that the Argus enty fee is one of those amazing life bargains. For that amount of money nothing else (legal) can be so much fun.

[Antoo]

I agree, with DGM, that the Argus is expensive, when we consider how much it costs us 'out of towners' to get there. That said, I think that if one enters early, the actual entry fee is very affordable. Anyway, this is not the point of the thread.......

 

Regards PPA and CSA - I cannot claim to know the inner workings of either organisation, but it does appear that besides the 'politics' of cycling, there is a lot of personal differences at play. To many bulls in the bull ring and the bulls start to fight amongst themselves, rather than to fulfil their mandate.

 

I must say that the CSA press release is brilliant - factual and concise

[jmaccelari]

Being a Gautenger, I wish PPA would take over up here... Some people may complain about them (some people will complain about anything), but it appears they do a much better job than CGC.

[Mackem]

Cycling South Africa Announcements – 09 February 2012

3. As mentioned with the cancellation announcement of the 2012 Tour of South Africa, the financial issues pertaining to the Tour were to be resolved after meetings with the joint Board comprising Cycling SA and Primedia. Primedia have in the meantime issued a letter requesting payment of outstanding finances. Cycling SA will be engaging with Primedia to resolve this matter.

 

Why do they need to "engage"? Surely if they received R2.8m for an event to be staged in 2012 and this was cancelled, they should still have the cash available?

 

If they don't.................liquidation????

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Why do they need to "engage"? Surely if they received R2.8m for an event to be staged in 2012 and this was cancelled, they should still have the cash available?

 

If they don't.................liquidation????

 

Aaah, now I understand, I thought the funds were owed for the tour they did already stage last year, so I was a little confused.

 

Oh dear.!

[Eugene Oppelt]

Anyone saw the Bellairs interview on Supercycling this week?

 

Mention was made about the PPA and their allegiance to the CSA constitutional process, currently undergo.

 

*slang in die gras*