Prof Tim Noakes' U-turn on Carbohydrates

[Goodbadugly]

Having experimented with different diets through 20 years of endurance sport, I have always felt very weak after a day or so of high fat/protein with low carbs. Definitely doesn't work for me + I love carbs!!!

 

I also cannot imagine the top Kenyan/Ethiopian runners would perform as well using Tim Noakes' new diet plan....

And the Bushmen running all day long after their prey on a diet of lean meat?

[Big Ed]

 

And the Bushmen running all day long after their prey on a diet of lean meat?

I would bet on the Kenyans beating the Bushmen over the marathon :-)

[goya-goya]

And the Bushmen running all day long after their prey on a diet of lean meat?

 

yea but it was not everyone... only a select few and at what pace? and they are genetically vastly different - not a racist comment .

as a way of life, if you needed to do something to survive... It could be that your body will adapt?? or does that mean we came from apes and god does not exist and all buddist sleep all day- I am sorry what thread is this again???

 

NOW GET OUT AND RIDE YOUR BIKE!!!!

[DirtyFrank]

Having experimented with different diets through 20 years of endurance sport, I have always felt very weak after a day or so of high fat/protein with low carbs. Definitely doesn't work for me + I love carbs!!!

 

I also cannot imagine the top Kenyan/Ethiopian runners would perform as well using Tim Noakes' new diet plan....

Cows Milk and blood for the Kenyans and they will be untouchable!

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Well, this morning I was at my medical doc for my 6 monthly check up. While he was running a few tests I asked him what he thought of the controversial diet by Prof Noakes, and he said, although he is not a dietitian ( and neither is Prof Noakes by the way) there are a huge number of medically proven and scientific tests that he can point to, as well as medically proven historical data that show's eating a diet LOW in saturated fats and HIGH in complex carbs is good for you and benefits your overall health.

 

He mentioned that as far he is concerned, he would never suggest to any of his patients to embark on a diet high in saturated fats unless they were under the direct supervision of a trained dietitian and a medical doctor.

[Berg Man]

It does not have to be saturated fats. If I recall, avos, millk (not in induction) and olive oil type fats are the main ones to be used.

[Bram_on_Madone]

_{All the people I know that eat a lot of fat and protein are overweight and have health problems. I eat a lot of carbs as well as fruit and vegetables and have an ideal BMI with no health problems. That's all the research I need.}

 

_{Its not like anybody else listens to bergies for financial advice, so why does everybody listen to unhealthy, fat people for nutritional advice?}

[GrumpyOldGuy]

It does not have to be saturated fats. If I recall, avos, millk (not in induction) and olive oil type fats are the main ones to be used.

 

No, you are right, but a lot is saturated fats, full cream milk and yogurts, cream, biltong??? (high in fat and salt) eggs including the yolk, red meat etc, but, I think the bigger issue for many is he suggests removing historically good complex carbs like potatoes, porridge's, pasta's, rice (even brown rice) etc completely from the diet, now I dont know but I looked around at some reputable universities medical tests and none suggested a diet high in fats and low in complex carbs is good for you, besides, I doubt I could run Comrades with a rare T-Bone steak in my moon bag, so for me baby potatoes it will have to remain.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

_{All the people I know that eat a lot of fat and protein are overweight and have health problems. I eat a lot of carbs as well as fruit and vegetables and have an ideal BMI with no health problems. That's all the research I need.}

 

_{Its not like anybody else listens to bergies for financial advice, so why does everybody listen to unhealthy, fat people for nutritional advice?}

 

Actually, I agree with you there, I also eat a diet high in complex carbs and low in saturated fats like red meat etc and at the ripe old age of nearly 55 I can still boast my weight at 78 kgs has remained steady since I was 18, my cholesterol is within range, my BP is good, I have no sugar issues, in fact (thank the good Lord) I am still in perfect health and although there may be other factors, I put a large portion of it down to the fact I eat carefully, and still enjoy everything in moderation, including a good whiskey or a glass or two of red wine every night.

[Clinton1]

These fads that people follow to squeeze the last bit of performance out of themselves, even when they are not professional athletes, sometimes makes me laugh. I have always been of the philosophy that I listen to my body. If it craves a big juicy steak I give it one. If it wants water, I drink it. Suppose I am just lucky in that I have never had an issue with weight. Or is it my approach to eating that has created this "luck".....

 

Over the years we have seen things being good for you and then all of a sudden they are not, or vice versa.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

These fads that people follow to squeeze the last bit of performance out of themselves, even when they are not professional athletes, sometimes makes me laugh. I have always been of the philosophy that I listen to my body. If it craves a big juicy steak I give it one. If it wants water, I drink it. Suppose I am just lucky in that I have never had an issue with weight. Or is it my approach to eating that has created this "luck".....

 

Over the years we have seen things being good for you and then all of a sudden they are not, or vice versa.

 

No, I think there's a lot to be said for your approach, actually as you get older you learn to know what your body needs more and more, and thats why I say just eat everything in moderation, if you feel like a steak, go for it, if you feel like a nice big slice of cake, go for it, as long as you dont eat three do-nuts for breakfast everyday and maintain a good healthy basic diet including all the food groups (and beer in moderation is also a food group) you should be just fine.

[Max Headroom]

Was Dr Atkins fat or just bloated?

By Caroline Overington

New York Correspondent

New York

February 12, 2004

 

Robert Atkins spent his life telling people they could eat fat and stay slim. But according to his medical records, the man behind the Atkins diet was obese at the time of his death.

The medical records, leaked to the media yesterday, also showed that Dr Atkins had heart disease and hypertension, conditions that have been linked to high-fat diets.

At first blush, the news has the potential to devastate the estimated 30 million followers of the counter-intuitive Atkins diet, which encourages people to eat a diet high in protein (such as red meat) but low in carbohydrates (cereals, pasta and rice).

But Dr Atkins's medical report was released by an organisation that has long campaigned against his diet. It opposes consumption of meat and promotes a vegan diet as a way of preventing cancer.

The medical report, leaked to The Wall Street Journal, shows that Dr Atkins, at 1.83 metres, weighed 116 kilograms last year. This would have given him a score of 35 under the body mass index calculation, used across the world to define whether a person is of healthy weight or not. Under the BMI, a score of 25 defines one as overweight. Over 30 and you are obese.

 

 

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[flymango]

No, I think there's a lot to be said for your approach, actually as you get older you learn to know what your body needs more and more, and thats why I say just eat everything in moderation, if you feel like a steak, go for it, if you feel like a nice big slice of cake, go for it, as long as you dont eat three do-nuts for breakfast everyday and maintain a good healthy basic diet including all the food groups (and beer in moderation is also a food group) you should be just fine.

Single malt whisky? Champers?

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Single malt whisky? Champers?

 

No, I am a single malt whiskey type guy, Champers gives me hearburn.!

[flymango]

No, I am a single malt whiskey type guy, Champers gives me hearburn.!

I meant "what about whisky and champers" in my case. I love both. At least we have the wee dram in common. Wonder what Prof TN says about alcohol?

[scotty]

The prof is getting some what of a bad rep that he's advocating everyone should be wolfing down foods very rich in protein, ignoring the fact that he has repeatedly acknowledged it not for everyone.

 

Not for everyone

However those who can metabolise carbohydrates efficiently and who have always been lean despite eating a high carbohydrate diet may not benefit in any way from this eating plan. I would not advise any athlete who is lean and quite happy with his or her weight and performances to change to this eating plan since it might not make a difference and might even be detrimental.

 

On the other hand I have noticed that there are a large number of slower finishers in the Argus Cycle Tour and in the Comrades Marathon who are, to put it scientifically, either overweight - body mass index (BMI) greater than 25kg/m² or frankly obese (BMI greater than 30kg/m²). The point is that the BMI is an excellent proxy for whether or not one is eating the right amount of energy each day. If the BMI is greater than 25kg/m² in males (somewhat less for females), one is eating more than one should.

For there is also evidence that, within reason, the less one eats, the more likely it is that one will stay healthy for longer. Which raises the question: Why do those with BMIs greater than 25kg/m² continue to eat too much even if they are exercising enough to compete in the Argus and the Comrades? The answer in my case was clear. It was not that I was gluttonous or lazy – the more usual explanation. It was because my brain was receiving false signals – based on my CR and the addictive effect of carbohydrates - about how much I really needed to eat. Once I corrected the signalling to my brain by adopting a high fat, low carbohydrate diet, I lost the urge to overeat.