Prof Tim Noakes' U-turn on Carbohydrates

[walkerr]

I have so say what a crock of sh*t the Cartes Blanche interview was last night.

 

I'm not saying that the new Tim Noakes regime is good or bad, or the guy himself. But what a lightweight bit of puff journalism the interview was - barely better than a thinly disguised ad for his new book.

 

No questions on what sample size he had used for this new study, other than himself and a few select athletes.

 

No hard questions about why we should trust his latest research/findings/opinion this time around, when he himself admits that he published material in his last book that he now says was wrong and should be ignored. Presumably that way, the new book sales will be higher.

 

Sorry - any "scientist" who does 180 degree U turn on his own research better be able to prove he's been more thorough this time around. That didn't come across last evening.

 

Oops - maybe I should have posted this as a "rant" ...

Edited March 19, 2012 by walkerr

[SwissVan]

I think the Prof is refering to people who are as he put it CR (Carbohydrate resistant) and not the general average joe population.

Somewhere along the line it appears as if people now think that his suggested eating plan is for everyone.

 

The artical in the OP clearly states:

 

Not for everyone

However those who can metabolise carbohydrates efficiently and who have always been lean despite eating a high carbohydrate diet may not benefit in any way from this eating plan. I would not advise any athlete who is lean and quite happy with his or her weight and performances to change to this eating plan since it might not make a difference and might even be detrimental.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

I have so say what a crock of sh*t the Cartes Blanche interview was last night.

 

I'm not saying that the new Tim Noakes regime is good or bad, or the guy himself. But what a lightweight bit of puff journalism the interview was - barely better than a thinly disguised ad for his new book.

 

No questions on what sample size he had used for this new study, other than himself and a few select athletes.

 

No hard questions about why we should trust his latest research/findings/opinion this time around, when he himself admits that he published material in his last book that he now says was wrong and should be ignored. Presumably that way, the new book sales will be higher.

 

Sorry - any "scientist" who does 180 degree U turn on his own research better be able to prove he's been more thorough this time around. That didn't come across last evening.

 

Oops - maybe I should have posted this as a "rant" ...

 

Interesting, I dont watch Carte Blanche so I didnt know of the interview, what actually went down, or can I infer from your comment....."Not much".

 

I must say I have also lost a bit of respect for the good Prof. I thought he wrote an excellent proven book "Lore of Running" which as everyone who has read it knows advocates a diet high in Complex carbs, but this "about face" with all the scientific data available showing otherwise will make me think twice about what he says anymore.

[walkerr]

Interesting, I dont watch Carte Blanche so I didnt know of the interview, what actually went down, or can I infer from your comment....."Not much".

 

Yep - I could have saved some space with a "not much" summary ...

[Stig]

Tim is in the sin bin, this is not a sustainable way of eating but purely a short term solution for someone in his position.

Everything in moderation

[GrumpyOldGuy]

I think the Prof is refering to people who are as he put it CR (Carbohydrate resistant) and not the general average joe population.

Somewhere along the line it appears as if people now think that his suggested eating plan is for everyone.

 

The artical in the OP clearly states:

 

Not for everyone

However those who can metabolise carbohydrates efficiently and who have always been lean despite eating a high carbohydrate diet may not benefit in any way from this eating plan. I would not advise any athlete who is lean and quite happy with his or her weight and performances to change to this eating plan since it might not make a difference and might even be detrimental.

 

I am not sure I buy into that "provision" Swiss, the burden of proof lies with him, dietitians and the medical field have all shown that a diet high in Saturated fats like he is advocating with almost no Carb's is not good for you, you may lose weight but you can also lose weight in other more healthy ways.

 

I am not a doctor or a dietitian but all the evidence I have seen points to a diet high in fats increasing cholesterol levels and placing a huge unnecessary burden on the liver, now if someone is already suffering with cholesterol issues (and maybe they dont even know about it) surely this would not be a great move.?

 

What are the long term consequences of this type of diet.? I dont know, but from what I have seen, its not great.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Tim is in the sin bin, this is not a sustainable way of eating but purely a short term solution for someone in his position.

Everything in moderation

 

Yeah, indeed, that's my feeling as well.

[Jaco-fiets]

Well i don't think it is anything new to be honest. If your not a active individual you should focus on low carb diets and avoid processed fats and focus on good fats. What is new? I see myself as very active and the only time i consume carbs is 1st thing in the morning and before, during (sometimes) and after exercise.

 

I mean seriously, who here still does crap like carbo loading?

Edited March 19, 2012 by Jaco-fiets

[SwissVan]

I must say I have also lost a bit of respect for the good Prof. I thought he wrote an excellent proven book "Lore of Running" which as everyone who has read it knows advocates a diet high in Complex carbs, but this "about face" with all the scientific data available showing otherwise will make me think twice about what he says anymore.

 

Tim is in the sin bin, this is not a sustainable way of eating but purely a short term solution for someone in his position.

Everything in moderation

 

 

Not for everyone

 

However those who can metabolise carbohydrates efficiently and who have always been lean despite eating a high carbohydrate diet may not benefit in any way from this eating plan. I would not advise any athlete who is lean and quite happy with his or her weight and performances to change to this eating plan since it might not make a difference and might even be detrimental.

 

Sport science will always be evolving and the scientests revising things in particular wrt to nutrition and training methods, the human body and the way it behaves is just to complex for it to be fully understood and documented as gospel in any book....

[Capricorn]

good grief ppl: he gave his professional opinion, and it certainly has merit, under certain circumstances, which he cleared indicated. Not once did he say it applies to everyone, equally, all the time. Honestly i think saffas suffer from bipolar disorder: they have a hard time adjusting to even minor changes in their narrow paradigms. Even when it doesnt involve them, they still flame from over the fence. my word it's hilarious!

[petatodd]

Anyone else suspect self promotion and an undeniable craving for publicity? Not been in the public gaze for a while Prof?

 

Like this wild claim after the RWC 2011 about match fixing and Bryce Lawrence: http://www.sabc.co.za/news/a/58c3cf0048af50e8a04ffc25cd63f3de/IRB-urged--to-conduct-match-fixing-probe-20111014

[SwissVan]

Anyone else suspect self promotion and an undeniable craving for publicity? Not been in the public gaze for a while Prof?

 

Like this wild claim after the RWC 2011 about match fixing and Bryce Lawrence: http://www.sabc.co.z...-probe-20111014

 

Urhmm.... No dont think so

 

Read Capricorns post # 74

[GrumpyOldGuy]

good grief ppl: he gave his professional opinion, and it certainly has merit, under certain circumstances, which he cleared indicated. Not once did he say it applies to everyone, equally, all the time. Honestly i think saffas suffer from bipolar disorder: they have a hard time adjusting to even minor changes in their narrow paradigms. Even when it doesnt involve them, they still flame from over the fence. my word it's hilarious!

 

I hear you but I dont agree.

 

This is a very contentious subject and there is lots of medical science which show's different evidence, however I have seen no scientific evidence supported by established medical scientific bodies that supports this diet, this is not just about an opinion either way between us layman, these are hard cold medical facts and evidence which show different.

 

We as laymen rely on Medical science to guide us on whats healthy and good for us and medical science can't just change its stand point for every new fad that comes along, first there needs to be tests on thousands of subjects, it needs to be evaluated by a number of professional people and organisations, and it needs to be proven. I dont see any of that regarding this diet.

[GrumpyOldGuy]

Not for everyone

 

However those who can metabolise carbohydrates efficiently and who have always been lean despite eating a high carbohydrate diet may not benefit in any way from this eating plan. I would not advise any athlete who is lean and quite happy with his or her weight and performances to change to this eating plan since it might not make a difference and might even be detrimental.

 

Sport science will always be evolving and the scientests revising things in particular wrt to nutrition and training methods, the human body and the way it behaves is just to complex for it to be fully understood and documented as gospel in any book....

 

Naa, dont agree at this point. When I see scientific studies supported by established and highly regarded universities or medical bodies specializing in this kind of study, maybe, until then....Uh-Uh.

[leeu52]

Went on a diet based on similar principle 3 years ago. Lost 30kgs and is still maintaining it. Needless to say it changed my life (and health and attitude) No more looking away when people talk about balanced lifestyle.

[Capricorn]

I hear you but I dont agree.

 

This is a very contentious subject and there is lots of medical science which show's different evidence, however I have seen no scientific evidence supported by established medical scientific bodies that supports this diet, this is not just about an opinion either way between us layman, these are hard cold medical facts and evidence which show different.

 

We as laymen rely on Medical science to guide us on whats healthy and good for us and medical science can't just change its stand point for every new fad that comes along, first there needs to be tests on thousands of subjects, it needs to be evaluated by a number of professional people and organisations, and it needs to be proven. I dont see any of that regarding this diet.

 

Not sure if you read my conjecture earlier on in this thread, but the mere fact there is so much variance in the data suggests there are many ways to skin this "healthy eating" cat. Human physiology is incredibly complicated, and there are probably as many variances as their are variances in the human genome. My statement earlier about Noake's stance is based on that belief: what he said 100% allows for variances in individuals.

My core point however, was that why does it seem everyone insists on only one 'right' way. Even if it works for only one person, then yes, it 100% works under those conditions. Nothing Noakes said was said in generalisation: in fact he used the wording of a seasoned scientist fully aware of just how contentious the subject of diet really is.

 

but you get monkey calls for his beheading cos he dare he advocate something that's so obviously wrong. errm durp. it's not that obvious. what is obvious, is that it works for him, and while he is advocating it will work for others, he urged caution and hinted at the rules required to play this game.

 

The only thing any intelligent person should do, is ponder as to what those rules are, and the decide if he/she can play that game. It's not a moral dilemma, and it's pathetically hilarious how some are bent on a crusade.