awesme Posted July 18, 2014 Share Yes they are special, they are not std of the shelve units. G Does anyone know if the Monarch shocks on Pygas are specially tuned/shimmed or are they "off the shelf"? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2367009 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanz Posted July 18, 2014 Share Does anyone know if the Monarch shocks on Pygas are specially tuned/shimmed or are they "off the shelf"?Yes they are special, they are not std of the shelve units.G As much as I'm loving the Pyga, I'm not sure if I totally get along with the monarch rt3 shock tune:1. Though the sag is set to 30%, I am yet to bottom out fully. This suggests (to me at least) that the high speed compression damping may be a little too firm.2. The rebound is on the fastest setting. It's probably ok as it is, but if I could I wouldn't mind experimenting with one or 2 notches faster.3. I hardly ever use the platform compression adjustment setting. It's on open the whole time. If there was a more plush setting I'd probably flick into that some of the time.So in short, I find it a bit overdamped. I'd be willing to trade off some pedalling efficiency for a bit more plushness and compliance over bumpy/rocky terrain. So at some point in the future I'm probably going to either get in there and adjust the shims, or get someone to do it for me, or look to upgrade the shock.I'd be curious to know how the monarch plus compares. I've heard good things about it. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2367175 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongDonkey Posted July 18, 2014 Share Not on a bike that has a 67deg head angle and takes 150 - 160mm forks... if heights an issue then a 29r frame running similar geo might be the answer...Standard frames from established brands stop around the XL size. Its what i got Next step was going to a custom frame, and that was too much effort for me, I am actually quite happy with my set up, not too stoopid looking..... and not crashed too many times. BUT : a 120 mm stem on a medium frame might not be the way to go. Edit frame size Edited July 22, 2014 by TooTall? Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2367207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanz Posted July 18, 2014 Share Standard frames from established brands stop around the XXL size. Its what i got Next step was going to a custom frame, and that was too much effort for me, I am actually quite happy with my set up, not too stoopid looking..... and not crashed too many times. BUT : a 120 mm stem on a medium frame might not be the way to go. Unfortunately there isn't even an XL 650b. I'm on a large with a 50mm stem. I'm 5'11'' with quite long arms and the sizing is perfect. So it's tough for the really tall guys. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2367245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted July 18, 2014 Share As much as I'm loving the Pyga, I'm not sure if I totally get along with the monarch rt3 shock tune:1. Though the sag is set to 30%, I am yet to bottom out fully. This suggests (to me at least) that the high speed compression damping may be a little too firm.2. The rebound is on the fastest setting. It's probably ok as it is, but if I could I wouldn't mind experimenting with one or 2 notches faster.3. I hardly ever use the platform compression adjustment setting. It's on open the whole time. If there was a more plush setting I'd probably flick into that some of the time.So in short, I find it a bit overdamped. I'd be willing to trade off some pedalling efficiency for a bit more plushness and compliance over bumpy/rocky terrain. So at some point in the future I'm probably going to either get in there and adjust the shims, or get someone to do it for me, or look to upgrade the shock.I'd be curious to know how the monarch plus compares. I've heard good things about it.Yes, this is what I'm thinking. As far as I could glean from Patrick, the shock not reaching bottom-out is part of his suspension design. He suggested that it could be run at pretty low pressures and still not bump. And I agree with all your points. Also feels like the shock needs to be run at a lower pressure with more rebound. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2367494 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beanz Posted July 20, 2014 Share Yes, this is what I'm thinking. As far as I could glean from Patrick, the shock not reaching bottom-out is part of his suspension design. He suggested that it could be run at pretty low pressures and still not bump. And I agree with all your points. Also feels like the shock needs to be run at a lower pressure with more rebound. It's a progressive suspension design, but it got to be a function of the shock tune as well.If I could reduce the high speed compression damping a bit, I'd run the shock at a slightly higher pressure with less sag, say max 25%, and still be able to use most if not all the travel. Higher air pressure would also speed up the rebound a little. Edited July 20, 2014 by beanz Pipsqueak 1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2368338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simonpurdon Posted July 20, 2014 Share Finally finished my build after what has seemed like years of waiting! Thanks to Dwayne and David Arpin from Big Wheel Cycles in the midlands for helping with the build. They worked into the night on the bike and wheels to get it ready for a race the next day. They're also PYGA dealers! Thanks also to Brenton from Zion Bikes n Somerset West (hubber Bibi) for all his help with speccing the bike and parts supply. Great guy, great service and some cool parts! SimpleDom, RockCoach, LazyTrailRider and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2368436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skylark Posted July 20, 2014 Share Hi Guys My first build! PYGA Pascoe 650b Specs: ZTR Flow wheel set with Hope hubs. Rockshox Revelation RL 150mm WTB Vigilante 2.3 tyres XT Groupset Token bars Front brake cable should be routed on the inside/wheel side of the lowers, not on the outside Edited July 20, 2014 by Skylark Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2368490 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted July 21, 2014 Share Finally finished my build after what has seemed like years of waiting! Thanks to Dwayne and David Arpin from Big Wheel Cycles in the midlands for helping with the build. They worked into the night on the bike and wheels to get it ready for a race the next day. They're also PYGA dealers! Thanks also to Brenton from Zion Bikes n Somerset West (hubber Bibi) for all his help with speccing the bike and parts supply. Great guy, great service and some cool parts! Very cool, like your choice of stem too;)Happy Trails dude!!!! Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2369757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadenceblur Posted July 21, 2014 Share Awesome bike! I'm actually expecting delivery of my frame and fork later this week. Coming from a hard tail, I'm quite excited to be honest! Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2369776 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadenceblur Posted July 21, 2014 Share Hi guys, I need some advice, would you recommend this headset? http://www.cwcycles.co.za/product/cane-creek-headset-40-ec4940-bottom?quicktabs_1=1#quicktabs-1 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2369956 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted July 22, 2014 Share Hi guys, I need some advice, would you recommend this headset? http://www.cwcycles....1=1#quicktabs-1As far as I know, the frame should ship with a headset. Pretty sure its a Cane Creek too. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2370433 Share on other sites More sharing options...
awesme Posted July 22, 2014 Share Cane creek => Yes Should, => No, you have to ask for it, you pay for it. G As far as I know, the frame should ship with a headset. Pretty sure its a Cane Creek too. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2370444 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pipsqueak Posted July 22, 2014 Share Hi guys, I need some advice, would you recommend this headset? http://www.cwcycles....1=1#quicktabs-1That's probably the wrong headset. Rather get the folk who're supplying your frame to send a headset with it - hunting for the correct one is a nightmare. Pygas have a cup at the top, but they don't take a cup at the bottom, the bottom - the bearing just fits straight into the frame. Measurements on their site. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2370451 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cadenceblur Posted July 22, 2014 Share Thanks guys, I gave the specs to my LBS doing the build. Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2370476 Share on other sites More sharing options...
IanT Posted July 23, 2014 Share Stopped along the spruit ....loving my Pyga! LazyTrailRider, zabalad, Sidewinder. and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://forum.bikehub.co.za/topic/119246-post-your-pyga/page/61/#findComment-2371744 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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