Armstrong considers lie detector test to prove innocence

['Dale]

Yikes, what's with all the insults. If it offends you take 1...2.. wait, rather take the whole bottle and stay away from the Hub for a while.

 

Or...

 

Go ride your bike until you can't no more...

:-)

[rudi-h]

i think the sad thing is that to me it seems that only the skin of this whole doping issue has been uncovered.

 

I mean a lot of the team managers, coaches etc. remained the same from the time of US postal until now. So that makes it kind of hard to believe that guys like Cancellara (and believe me I am a huge Cancellara fan, so I really really hope that he is clean) are clean when they have been trained, coached and managed by the same people that helped to dope up Armstrong to his past successes.

 

If the teams were so far ahead of the "tests" back then, why would it be different now?

 

Also, all the guys that "confessed" are at the end of their careers. Leipheimer, Hincapie, Zabriski and these guys don't have nearly as much to lose as the the younger guys in the sport. Do we honestly believe that doping only existed in a large scale in the time of US Postal?

 

I think its a lot more dirty than merely what USADA managed to expose, I'm not sure if there are any more heroes out there on their bikes.

[andydude]

Yeah well Tyler's reaping the royalties isn't he...

 

I refuse to support those cheats by buying their literature. Glad the info's out there but you can't NOT support what they did and then support them financially...

 

I think it's a bit more complicated than that. Do you ride a bicycle, watch cycling on tv, buy anything related to cycling and even wider, e.g. Nike? Guess where lots of the money of a product goes to? Into cycling, into teams, into riders. Haven't read Tyler's book yet, but would want to, merely to try and understand how it is in the world of pro cycling and it would be for the same reason I follow tweets, because you get a more personal touch/inside information.

 

I love cycling. I love the sport. What this makes me, I don't know.

[GoLefty!!]

It makes you a passionate cycler

[TNT1]

 

 

I refuse to support those cheats by buying their literature.

 

Me either.

 

I recommend piratebay.

[Eldron]

Tyler: Hey George - we're in a heap of crap - frikkin USADA has just had me under oath and I was forced to spill the beans! I was so stressed I had to use setting 3 on the aircon in my Porsche on the way home.

George: Damnit Tyler - you too? I was in there for hours with bright sport light and good cop and bad cop routine. I needed a %500 massage at my mansion to relax afterwards...

Tyler: It was awful - truly awful.

George: I was scared I was gonna go to jail.

Tyler: Me too.

Geroge: Sooo.... What happened?

Tyler: Well they offered me a 6 month ban. Only the joke is on them. I'm already retired.

George: Sucker fools!

Tyler: Indeed - I get to keep the cash, houose, cars, everything.

George: Me too. Sweet aint it?

Tyler: I even wrote a book. Blamed it all on Lance.

George: You did? Damn - I blamed everything on Lance but haven't put pen to paper on the $3,000,000 book deal yet.

Tyler: Do it man - the public fookin love a 'fessor who spews his guts...

George: Really? You're not getting hate mail or anything?

Tyler: Nah man - love letters and such. There's a second book deal on the cards too. Just say Lance made you do it.

George: Sweeeeeet.

George and Tyler and Matt and Johan and Jonathan and Floyd and and and: HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

[TNT1]

Permission to merge this with the other Lance thread?

[kingalton]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2012/10/news/former-wada-chief-says-uci-knew-drug-testing-system-was-flawed_261599

[Tumbleweed]

he claims to be clean now, all the years doping he didnt say he was a doper

now tells all who wants to hear he is an ex-doper yes

 

Millar's an interesting case. He never tested positive. Yet he got a ban.

[SwissVan]

Permission to merge this with the other Lance thread?

 

Not until you tell / find out what happened to the Original "I need a man" thread

[Tumbleweed]

Mmm conspiracy theory. Did USADA have something on Hincappie and in return for his admission he admitted to seeing LA as well. Makes USDADA claim of not particularly targetting LA a bit wobbly.

 

They had something on all of them. Lance included. Hasn't there been reference to the same plea deal being done for all involved?

[TNT1]

Not until you tell / find out what happened to the Original "I need a man" thread

 

Can't tell cause I don't know. Wont find out, cause I don't care.

[TNT1]

Millar's an interesting case. He never tested positive. Yet he got a ban.

 

Strongarm is a dodgy Scot with a sun allergy?

[DaLoCo]

Can't tell cause I don't know. Wont find out, cause I don't care.

Overindulged the pain meds again.....

[GoLefty!!]

Millar's an interesting case. He never tested positive. Yet he got a ban.

 

If I recall..............they caught to SOB with a fridge full of dope.

 

 

well here's the story in detail..courtesy of Wiki

 

Millar was eating in a restaurant in Bidart, near Biarritz, on 23 June 2004 when he was approached by three plainclothes policemen of the Paris drug squad^{[citation needed]} at 8.25pm.^[12] They took Millar's watch, shoelaces, jewellery, keys and phone.^[19] Millar said: “ "I was shocked, but I didn't think they had anything on me. I thought it was a waste of time – just a publicity stunt. They took me back to the apartment. They went in with a gun first, as if somebody was going to hit them with a back wheel or something. They sat me down and I wasn't allowed to move while they searched the house. They search while you're there. It took them four hours. I said to them: 'Why are you here?' They said: 'You know why – François Migraine.^{[n 3]} Because of the interview with Migraine in L'Équipe.'

They humiliated me and were critiquing my lifestyle, using a classic good cop, bad cop thing. It was psychological warfare. The bad cop literally hated me. He was saying: 'You're not a good person – we know that.' He said: 'You take three paces and I will bring you down like you're resisting arrest.' It was deliberate. I felt completely violated." ”

— David Millar, 2004

^[19]

After two and a half hours they found empty phials of Eprex, a brand of the blood-boosting drug EPO, and two used syringes.^{[12][n 4]} Millar said he had been given them as a gift at the Tour of Spain, that he had taken them to Manchester and used them. After that he had kept them as a souvenir.^[19] The detectives took Millar to the prison in Biarritz and put him alone in a cell.^[19]

The raid followed the arrest at the start of 2004 of Cofidis' soigneur, Bogdan Madejak.^[20] Police, looking to find out more about the drugs found on Madejak, turned their attention to another rider on the team, Philippe Gaumont, as he arrived at Orly airport in Paris on 20 January 2004.^{[13][20][n 5]} On 22 January 2004 the magazine, Le Point, published transcripts of police phone taps.^[20]

[Tumbleweed]

If I recall..............they caught to SOB with a fridge full of dope.

 

 

well here's the story in detail..courtesy of Wiki

 

 

Millar was eating in a restaurant in Bidart, near Biarritz, on 23 June 2004 when he was approached by three plainclothes policemen of the Paris drug squad^{[citation needed]} at 8.25pm.^[12] They took Millar's watch, shoelaces, jewellery, keys and phone.^[19] Millar said: “ "I was shocked, but I didn't think they had anything on me. I thought it was a waste of time – just a publicity stunt. They took me back to the apartment. They went in with a gun first, as if somebody was going to hit them with a back wheel or something. They sat me down and I wasn't allowed to move while they searched the house. They search while you're there. It took them four hours. I said to them: 'Why are you here?' They said: 'You know why – François Migraine.^{[n 3]} Because of the interview with Migraine in L'Équipe.'

They humiliated me and were critiquing my lifestyle, using a classic good cop, bad cop thing. It was psychological warfare. The bad cop literally hated me. He was saying: 'You're not a good person – we know that.' He said: 'You take three paces and I will bring you down like you're resisting arrest.' It was deliberate. I felt completely violated." ”

— David Millar, 2004

^[19]

 

After two and a half hours they found empty phials of Eprex, a brand of the blood-boosting drug EPO, and two used syringes.^{[12][n 4]} Millar said he had been given them as a gift at the Tour of Spain, that he had taken them to Manchester and used them. After that he had kept them as a souvenir.^[19] The detectives took Millar to the prison in Biarritz and put him alone in a cell.^[19]

The raid followed the arrest at the start of 2004 of Cofidis' soigneur, Bogdan Madejak.^[20] Police, looking to find out more about the drugs found on Madejak, turned their attention to another rider on the team, Philippe Gaumont, as he arrived at Orly airport in Paris on 20 January 2004.^{[13][20][n 5]} On 22 January 2004 the magazine, Le Point, published transcripts of police phone taps.^[20]

 

Hanging on to empty vials and syringes make him a dope of note.