So what exactly constitutes cheating?

[RoboLuke]

who decides what substances are banned and why?

is it because its unsafe or provides a potential unfair advantage?

 

can you do a 100 km mtb race without your gi32? thats not banned...

and your cramp pills.? how far before you collapse?

 

 

carbs alone is the most important race nutrient and its not banned.

is it because its cheap? depo testosterone is very cheap when legally

obtained.

 

so epo which gives a 1 percent boost is more unfair than carbs which gives a what 50 percent boost?

 

your 70 k bike surely gives you an advantage over my 20 k bike? So money may discriminate...?

 

And you have more time to train so thats also unfair...

 

So i dont quite get it...who draws the lines and what the reasons are...

but im sure there are some smart people who will educate me now

please just keep it factual and not just say its cheating cause its something you

dont do

[DR ◣◢]

I thought it was the other cheating...

[Smiles]

 

your 70 k bike surely gives you an advantage over my 20 k bike? So money may discriminate...?

 

 

slightly off topic, but I would love to see some races where everyone has to compete on the same bike - like a singlespeed postman's bike with no suspension and then we can see who really is the best biker

But i'm probably just saying this because i'm not the guy with the 70k bike

[TNT1]

Permission to use the facepalm smiley?

[TNT1]

slightly off topic, but I would love to see some races where everyone has to compete on the same bike - like a singlespeed postman's bike with no suspension and then we can see who really is the best biker

But i'm probably just saying this because i'm not the guy with the 70k bike

 

Refer to strongarm. It's not about the bike.

[Mackie]

Easy, gaining something that you never earnt by whichever means. In all facets of life. Period. You be the judge, or the hub will judge you.

[Agteros]

I thought it was the other cheating...

Just wanted to say "no seconds", except if you do a 'traditional', but even for that you require the permission of the first.

 

However the answer: cheating: "No playing by the rules", ethics: " not playing by the spirit of the rules"

Edited November 8, 2012 by robox

[GLuvsMtb]

buying the best bike out there is not cheating, but riding a bike below minimum weight is cheating, so is putting an electric motor in the BB.

Taking anything from the banned substance list is therefore cheating, but if there exists a banned substance in your USN race fuel its not cheating, unless you put it there yourself.

[jcza]

who decides what substances are banned and why?

is it because its unsafe or provides a potential unfair advantage?

 

can you do a 100 km mtb race without your gi32? thats not banned...

and your cramp pills.? how far before you collapse?

 

 

carbs alone is the most important race nutrient and its not banned.

is it because its cheap? depo testosterone is very cheap when legally

obtained.

 

so epo which gives a 1 percent boost is more unfair than carbs which gives a what 50 percent boost?

 

your 70 k bike surely gives you an advantage over my 20 k bike? So money may discriminate...?

 

And you have more time to train so thats also unfair...

 

So i dont quite get it...who draws the lines and what the reasons are...

but im sure there are some smart people who will educate me now

please just keep it factual and not just say its cheating cause its something you

dont do

 

You're better than this

[TNT1]

You're better than this

Permission to use the facepalm smiley?

[Frosty]

who decides what substances are banned and why? http://www.wada-ama.org/en/About-WADA/

Is it because its unsafe or provides a potential unfair advantage?

 

can you do a 100 km mtb race without your gi32? thats not banned...

and your cramp pills.? how far before you collapse?

i rode 118km last weekend on 2 bottles of filtered water (so i had an advantage over the other guy that rode with unfiltered water)

 

carbs alone is the most important race nutrient and its not banned.

is it because its cheap? depo testosterone is very cheap when legally

obtained.

 

so epo which gives a 1 percent boost is more unfair than carbs which gives a what 50 percent boost?

 

your 70 k bike surely gives you an advantage over my 20 k bike? So money may discriminate...?

 

And you have more time to train so thats also unfair...

 

So i dont quite get it...who draws the lines and what the reasons are...

but im sure there are some smart people who will educate me now

please just keep it factual and not just say its cheating cause its something you

dont do

[TNT1]

http://www.wada-ama.org/en/About-WADA/

 

It's so green.

[RoboLuke]

look all the drugs in the world is not going to compensate for my genetic disposition or lack of time to train or commitment

so for me its an accademic debate cause at best ill go from suck to avverage.

the point im making is that there is an emotional mindset that cheating in any sport is when someone else does something i could not do

 

so hormones is cheating cause i dont know how to get it on the black market

or the fancy bike cause my dad was not rich.

my polar watch is a major part of my pacing method so is that cheating?

 

i dont use drugs as its in my case gonna be a massive waste in money i dont have but

i just think that before we scream cheater just use your head and make

sure you know what the issue is

 

im sure there are good reason...but im still ignorant

Edited November 9, 2012 by RoboLuke

[Karakoram]

Folk's warped obsession with winning and winners is the root cause for all the cheating and dishonesty. Turns out that winning a race is about being 'better' than the next by mere milliseconds. It begs the question whether all the heartache and suffering for a mere millisecond and two minutes on the podium is worth it? Maybe we should rather have cycling events instead of races. Everybody making certain cut-off times receive recognition, no single winner. The emphasis should be on celebrating cycling rather than winning at all cost. Races have become big business, corrupting all involved. Just look at the fall-out of the recent doping scandals, the cost of equipment, steep race participation fees and the ever evasive optimum MTB wheel size. I don't have to race to enjoy cycling.

[Mellow]

look all the drugs in the world is not going to compensate for my genetic disposition or lack of time to train or commitment

so for me its an accademic debate cause at best ill go from suck to avverage.

the point im making is that there is an emotional mindset that cheating in any sport is when someone else does something i could not do

 

so hormones is cheating cause i dont know how to get it on the black market

or the fancy bike cause my dad was not rich.

my polar watch is a major part of my pacing method so is that cheating?

 

i dont use drugs as its in my case gonna be a massive waste in money i dont have but

i just think that before we scream cheater just use your head and make

sure you know what the issue is

 

im sure there are good reason...but im still ignorant

 

its that point that you need to ponder some more

 

cheating is when you are breaking the rules. these rules apply to all.

Edited November 9, 2012 by Mellow

[Pappa Bear]

This is a difficult one and I thought about it many times....... So lets take rugby...... your scrum ways 800kg and mine 850kg thats not fair? Your ferrari is faster than my Mclaren in F1...... that is not fair, your basket ball player is 2.3m and mine 2.1, that is not fair...... You have 200 x F14 and I have 1 x Grippen that is not fair.

 

So the most sports has an association which will decide where "fair" ends and "cheat" begins so that there is no blury line.........

 

In is in human nature to excel, improve and be the best - otherwise we would still be living in caves.