Froome Voooom

[dracs]

This isn't the question only thread, you are allowed to answer questions without asking a question. Please answer the question:

 

"How is it you believe what all the previous dopers say now"?

 

In response to yours, I would say Cuddles or even lambtjop (Wiggins).

It is a mystery, however I presume he is referring to the LA misquote. should have read the whole thing rather than the headlines...

 

Armstrong said it WASN'T possible to win the tour clean - not that it ISN'T possible...

[fandacious]

well

 

2007 - Contador

2008 - Carlos Sastre

2009 - Contador

2010 - Contador, but he had bad steak, so no count, givin to baby Schleck

2011 - Cadel Evens

2012 - Bradley Wiggins

 

In all those, only one to test positive was Contador, and many feel that that positive was not even eligable, but still, the last 6 years, only one positive.

 

contador was busted and banned, so he comes off that list. I think it was baby schleck that was recently busted, but if they're joined at the hip like they keep telling us, you can be certain the other one is just as dirty.

 

so that leaves cuddles, sastre and wiggo.

 

i'm on the fence re wiggo. I find it very odd that he has fallen off the planet with "knee troubles" a few weeks before TDF

 

a bunch of BMC riders have just been busted, so that kinda makes me sceptical about cuddles

 

Sastre - possibly clean - but he's also mysteriously dissappeared

 

I have no reason to not believe them. There is nothing to be gained by lying about it. Do you think they are still lying?

[fandacious]

It is a mystery, however I presume he is referring to the LA misquote. should have read the whole thing rather than the headlines...

 

Armstrong said it WASN'T possible to win the tour clean - not that it ISN'T possible...

 

ok so in the 99 years up until now, it hasnt been possible. but this year it is.

 

Its a new era I tell you.

[nathrix]

contador was busted and banned, so he comes off that list. I think it was baby schleck that was recently busted, but if they're joined at the hip like they keep telling us, you can be certain the other one is just as dirty.

 

so that leaves cuddles, sastre and wiggo.

 

i'm on the fence re wiggo. I find it very odd that he has fallen off the planet with "knee troubles" a few weeks before TDF

 

a bunch of BMC riders have just been busted, so that kinda makes me sceptical about cuddles

 

Sastre - possibly clean - but he's also mysteriously dissappeared

 

I have no reason to not believe them. There is nothing to be gained by lying about it. Do you think they are still lying?

 

Perhaps he knew Froome will kick his ass.

[fandacious]

Perhaps he knew Froome will kick his ass.

 

yeh - that prolly factored into the decision..

[eeeek]

i'm on the fence re wiggo. I find it very odd that he has fallen off the planet with "knee troubles" a few weeks before TDF

Perhaps he knew Froome will kick his ass.

yeh - that prolly factored into the decision..

Yeah, I'd also heard that it was "ego troubles"

[JA-Q001]

You see, altough Frank tested positive, also for someting minor, his brother has never even been accused. Same with Cadel, never has he even been accused. Wiggens is on also with Sky, why risk it with one and maybe loose all their jobs? Contador has only had that one positive, that they had to go beyond measure to find and did not even get a full suspension. But ja, you probably think Im a racist too, because the history of all white men in South Africa shows that with apartheid, I should be a racist, its in our SA white man blood and history.

[fandacious]

Yeah, I'd also heard that it was "ego troubles"

 

especially after calling everyone bone idle wankers last year. Wouldnt look very good if he went and lost the tour this year

[fandacious]

Wiggens is on also with Sky, why risk it with one and maybe loose all their jobs?

 

why did sky hire a notorious doping doctor?

[2 X 2]

Cadel Evans?

[fandacious]

Cadel Evans?

 

ja -i'd really like to believe he's clean. but eish. too many current/ex bmc riders been nicked

[SwissVan]

 

1. I have no reason to not believe them.

 

2. There is nothing to be gained by lying about it.

 

3. Do you think they are still lying?

 

 

1. Of course not....

 

2. Of course there is, for example look how people who despised everything they said before now suddenly believes they are credible.

 

3. Me, when it comes to doping and proven dopers I don't trust anything they say about doping.

 

4. But I do believe in Mr Froome, even tho logic tells me I could be wrong.

[fandacious]

 

4. But I do believe in Mr Froome, even tho logic tells me I could be wrong.

 

i think thats how most people feel. we REALLY want him to be clean, and somehow just be this amazing superhuman who can ride 7w/kg for 20mins naturally, but on the other hand logic tells us its not very likely

[HeyYou]

Well done Chris Froome, I hope your legacy 'lasts forever'.

[SwissVan]

TdF 2013 - Part III

By: Michele Ferrari

Published: 22 Jul 2013

 

Chris Froome's accelerations on the ramps of the Mont Ventoux greatly impressed both riders and commentators alike, more or less competent and serene in their assessments.

The adjectives, not always flattering, were pouring through, but only a few times, in my opinion, have been adequate to the actual performance.

 

Let's start by assessing the time to climb the last 15 km (1389m of altitude at 9%) of the ascent:

 

- Froome, 2013: 47'12 "- VAM = 1765 m / h - 6.08w/kg = 401W

- Armstrong, 2002: 48'33 "- VAM = 1718 m / h - 5.92w/kg = 438w

- Contador 2009: 48'57 "- VAM = 1702 m / h - 5.87w/kg = 364w

 

The climb is very exposed to highly variable winds and therefore performance comparisons over different years are always approximate, but we can hazard a guess that Froome has delivered a performance similar to or slightly higher than those of Armstrong and Contador, all in all in line with those developed by the best athletes in recent years.

 

What has caused a sensation and suspicion is the cadence held by Chris when climbing.

 

At 400w the ideal uphill cadence is between 90 and 95 RPM: Froome, when deeply engaged in the effort, is used to pedal on average over 100 RPM, with a cadence higher than that of Lance, who also developed higher average power outputs by about 40 watts (ideal cadence of 95-100 RPM).

 

But even more wonder have raised the pedaling cadences of 120-130 RPM expressed by Froome in the three short (15-20") accelerations that demolished the opponents.

 

If you want to accelerate violently on an uphill incline, even in a car, you need to downshift the gears and increase the number of "engine revs", in order to express the maximum power in a quick time.

Given the acceleration and speed (almost double that of the opponents) developed by Froome, I estimate an average power of about 700W for those 20", which correspond to an ideal cadence of 125 RPM. So the choice of Chris is the best, if you want to drop rivals off your wheel.

Of course such violent and repeated accelerations are possible only if the athlete is not already in "oxygen debt", displaying clear fitness superiority over the rivals who were sapped by the previous pace.

 

Particularly skeptical observers have noted that such high pedaling cadences require, for the same wattage, an increased consumption of oxygen due to the cost of "spinning the legs." It is a correct observation, considering that Froome is adopting cadences that are higher than those considered ideal for the power he generates.

 

With his "alien" physical morphology, very thin, with long, thin arms and legs, Chris compensates such higher cost by minimizing the weight of his rotating limbs.

The obvious muscle hypotrophy reduces internal friction and the probable decrease in strength is offset by the use of high pedaling cadences, which require, for the same wattage, a lower force peak at each push on the pedals.

The intake/supplementation (perfectly legal) of nitrates could further reduce the consumption of oxygen (Acta Physiol 2007; 191:59-66), improving mitochondrial efficiency (Cell Metabolism 2011; 13:149-159).

 

Even the rhythmic reclining of the head by Froome, interpreted by most as the continuing need to scrutinize the power meter on the handlebar, may be a breathing technique, already used by the British marathon runner Paula Radcliffe, to ensure an optimal pulmonary ventilation.

 

A few days ago, in Monte Carlo, another Englishman, Mo Farah, a specialist of the 5000 and 10000 meters, managed to improve the European record of 1500m, which was holding on for 16 years (Cacho, 1997): 3'28 "81, improving by more than 5 seconds his personal best.

 

Just like Froome, Farah, as well as for the outstanding performances, impresses for the ghastly, unhealthy thinness.

Achieved how...? Only with a particularly strict diet?

This is the question those who care about the physical and mental health of the athletes should try to answer to.

 

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['Dale]

Interesting read.

Thanx Swissvan.