Dubber Posted July 23, 2015 Posted July 23, 2015 I suspect that is because the fakers make or copy a mould, and then mass produce with the cheapest low grade carbon they can get. That and selling direct means they can still make a good profit. It looks as if they are not able to use the same business model with metal parts.Your assumption is correct to a point - obviously the cheaper the material the more profit. However in the great scheme of things, the cost of low grade carbon is not hugely cheaper than decent carbon. One of the biggest cost factors in producing the frame is the mold itself and the labour required to produce it - so skimping on the carbon doesn't save a whole lot. (I'm not saying it doesn't happen though). In terms of costs you can rate these in terms of overall production costs (from high to low): R&DMoldStaff skillsMaterial The reputable Chinese blanks have been using the same molds for the past 5 years, so you can write of R&D and Molds from their expenses i.e. two biggest expenses. They also don't have the associated cost of the marketing machines behind the big names. Hence the lower costs. Yes, you get a crap out of china. But yes, you can also get a blank frame as good as any other of China.
Cippo Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 https://www.bikehub.co.za/classifieds/147134-cervelo-r5-price-drop/
velomonatiCT Posted July 24, 2015 Posted July 24, 2015 An easy way to avoid fakes would be to buy metal stuff. bad news bro ive seen an aluminium bianchi c2c with carbon fork which is truly a thing of beauty its was spotless if I hadn't been told it was from china I would never have dreamt you just don't see them because the money is in carbon some of the carbon from china is really good that's why the manufacturers are getting so pissed offif the china carbons would keep breaking it wouldn't be a problem they would just blow away ...the real problem is they don't keep breaking
Arno de Beer jnr Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 Hey guys. I want to upgrade to a Campy EPS system...or if I have to Di2. anyone know if it is possible to do it through Alibaba or Aliexpress? I've saved up 75% just want to find out if there is a cheaper way and if it is even worth it?
gummibear Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Saw a warning for fake FSA carbon seat posts,carbon bars and carbon stems in the UK and Europe. The warning comes after a few very serious crashes due to failing parts Guessing that they'll be in SA to then. If you are unsure the check the product with a UV light...FSA has hidden logo on all original parts.
gummibear Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 FAKE GOODS: Please be aware of fake and potentially dangerous FSA goods being offered very cheaply on ebay. This K force seatpost is made of a glass fibre tube with a carbon wrap and separate seat clamp. Genuine K Force seat posts always have a monocoque carbon fibre post and clamp.
Slowbee Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 sheesh gummi, hope you were not on the bike ...!
gummibear Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 sheesh gummi, hope you were not on the bike ...!Not me...from FSA agents fb page. One guy had to have carbon splinters surgically removed from his leg. Another broke his wrists...yes both...when his bars broke.
Odinson Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Not me...from FSA agents fb page. One guy had to have carbon splinters surgically removed from his leg. Another broke his wrists...yes both...when his bars broke. Good lawd. There must be few things more horrifying on the bike than feeling the bar snap.
LOOK695 Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 Research must be much more thorough when reviewing new carbon purchases
NotSoBigBen Posted December 8, 2015 Posted December 8, 2015 http://www.mbr.co.uk/news/bbc-documentary-warns-of-dangerous-fake-mountain-bike-parts-336106?utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=Social
gummibear Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Good lawd. There must be few things more horrifying on the bike than feeling the bar snap.It happens quite often actually......i will never ride a carbon mtb bar.
CdT85 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 FAKE GOODS: Please be aware of fake and potentially dangerous FSA goods being offered very cheaply on ebay. This K force seatpost is made of a glass fibre tube with a carbon wrap and separate seat clamp. Genuine K Force seat posts always have a monocoque carbon fibre post and clamp. Kinda makes me worries about a FSA carbon handlebar I bought for "cheap" from a fellow hubber last year...been lasting though...Any way to determine if mine is original?
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 Kinda makes me worries about a FSA carbon handlebar I bought for "cheap" from a fellow hubber last year...been lasting though...Any way to determine if mine is original?UV light. FSA logo all over it.
CdT85 Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 UV light. FSA logo all over it. Will give is a go. thanx mate
NotSoBigBen Posted December 9, 2015 Posted December 9, 2015 It happens quite often actually......i will never ride a carbon mtb bar. All my MTB bars are Alu, carbon only on my road bikes but what makes me wonder is that I see many many MTBrs with carbon bars and seatposts and personally I don't know anyone that has had one fail ... not saying they don't but is it really that prevalent?
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