Shocking incident between van driver and cyclists in Camps Bay

[urbanroyal]

Why would we be seen as hooligans ...just because of this incedent ...maybe a few narrow minded motorists out there like TK Specialist said ...I have yet to encounter this motorist tho ...

[DIPSLICK]

Why would we be seen as hooligans ...just because of this incedent ...maybe a few narrow minded motorists out there like TK Specialist said ...I have yet to encounter this motorist tho ...

it wont happen over night, look at LONDON it is always the drops in a bucket that eventually fills it and tips it over, one isolated incident will be a flash in the pan news of the moment, but over time motorists ARE GETTING GATVOL

[Patchelicious]

Why would we be seen as hooligans ...just because of this incedent ...maybe a few narrow minded motorists out there like TK Specialist said ...I have yet to encounter this motorist tho ...

 

Go read the comments from motorist on the news sights where this video was posted, and you will see what they say.

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Edited June 19, 2014 by ArchedBackChinOut

[TK-Sp3cialiSt]

So what exactly do you propose gets done, because complaining on a forum is not going to help anyone, put a plan in place and follow through with it...

 

Edit : spelling

Edited June 19, 2014 by TK-Sp3cialiSt

[urbanroyal]

 

 

Go read the comments from motorist on the news sights where this video was posted, and you will see what they say.

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Lots get said on the net ..trolls , keyboard warriors ...etc, here included ..but the reality somewhat different ..

['Dale]

 

 

Hello Dale.

I disagree totally, this is not a private matter.

This had negative repercussions to the whole cycling community, as DJR says.

This has to be a very public affair.

The legal entities cycling SA cannot sit back on this.

There was just a lot of talk about banning the club or individuals.

Now its just being swept under the carpet.

 

I for one feel insulted about this, as these actions do not represent me at all.

 

This might lead to the next incident, where knowing that nothing will be done,

mob justice will prevail, and these "cyclists" will be dealt with accordingly.

 

I agree with your and others' sentiments that a greater degree of accountability and responsibly should be held at the feet of the offenders.

 

All I'm pointing out is that a due process was followed and various outcomes reached, in a private mediative space (not open to the public).

 

If I was chairman of the club, I would ask those involved for a public statement that addresses greater accountability.

I'm not the chair.

 

As a Cape Town cyclist, I'm moving on.

Nothing more to be seen here.

 

[Blackbeard]

I tend to think that the public in general would be able to correctly view this as an isolated incident concerning the parties involved. The antipathy of many motorists towards cyclists in general did not arise out of this incident although many may throw it out as justification for their erroneous views.

 

I also think we should pick our battles. There are many important issues such as road accidents, hijackings and rider safety. At public demonstration or petition on this issue will merely bring it to the forefront when most people (ie. motorists) have already forgotten about it.

 

It leaves a bad taste, but its best to move on.

 

We should also avoid trying to force others to do what we as a collective view as right. We should not force the Club to do anything. The Club reputation will be tarnished for a long time through their association with these people and their inaction.

[Patchelicious]

The Club reputation will be tarnished for a long time through their association with these people and their inaction.

 

I agree that their reputation could be tarnished, but if nobody knows who they are then there is not much damage.... I for one do not know which club it is.

 

I have experienced an incident (previously posted on the hub) where a gun was pulled at me and they guys said " all you cyclists think you own the road" so THERE is very real repercussions from damaging our reputation as a whole. Obviously at some point a cyclist pi$$ed him off, maybe assaulted him with a bike like in the video... who knows, but I bore the brunt of his hatred towards cyclists.

 

It is always the attitude that "ag man its only a few motorists who are narrow minded" until it happens to you.

Edited June 19, 2014 by ArchedBackChinOut

[Patchelicious]

Go read the comments here and see what perceptions there are about us and what the attitudes are.

 

http://www.sport24.c...attack-20140303

 

http://www.news24.co...olence-20140303

 

I for one like this one:

Sprinkels Venter - March 3, 2014 at 20:19

The next time I see a bunch of cyclists I am going to ride them over.!

 

Yes there are trolls. just as there are on the hub, but I for one would not dismiss them all as harmless, as I have personally experienced.

Edited June 19, 2014 by ArchedBackChinOut

[Blackbeard]

I agree that their reputation could be tarnished, but if nobody knows who they are then there is not much damage.... I for one do not know which club it is.

 

I have experienced an incident (previously posted on the hub) where a gun was pulled at me and they guys said " all you cyclists think you own the road" so THERE is very real repercussions from damaging our reputation as a whole. Obviously at some point a cyclist pi$$ed him off, maybe assaulted him with a bike like in the video... who knows, but I bore the brunt of his hatred towards cyclists.

 

It is always the attitude that "ag man its only a few motorists who are narrow minded" until it happens to you.

 

I will not deny the considerable and widespread resistance from many motorists towards cyclists in general. Bizarrely, my wife often expresses anti-cyclist sentiment (well, to me when I am in the car with her), but I think her attitude arises out of a feeling of insecurity and fear caused by cyclists eg. aggressive riding on the narrow Bantry Bay roads, etc. The situation is exacerbated by the fact that may cyclists act aggressively towards women drivers, for example slapping the roof of the vehicle when they slow down to turn thereby messing that all important training ride. This has happened to my wife many time before and I have witnessed it personally with others while I am out cycling.

 

I think that a petition or demonstration will cause a backlash from the very people we would seek to appease. It is often better to change perceptions through example than through confrontation. Blend and flow.

 

Cyclists, particularly race snake roadies, are by definition A type personalities so you are going to get a high percentage of anal wombats.

[TK-Sp3cialiSt]

Once again i ask what your plan is to sort this problem out is?

 

There are a great many that will post nonsense like that and not have the guts to actually follow through with any threat... Keyboard warriors are many, but actual thugs on the road are few and far between... I have been chased down by a testosterone filled idiot on the road in a car(while i was in my car) as he believed i was in the wrong(when i know full well i wasn't)....

[Blackbeard]

Once again i ask what your plan is to sort this problem out is?

 

 

 

To follow 'Dale's example and to be nice.

[Wannabe]

Once again i ask what your plan is to sort this problem out is?

 

There are a great many that will post nonsense like that and not have the guts to actually follow through with any threat... Keyboard warriors are many, but actual thugs on the road are few and far between... I have been chased down by a testosterone filled idiot on the road in a car(while i was in my car) as he believed i was in the wrong(when i know full well i wasn't)....

 

I have mailed PPA with my suggestion (as per my previous posts)

 

What have you done?

[Patchelicious]

I think that a petition or demonstration will cause a backlash from the very people we would seek to appease. It is often better to change perceptions through example than through confrontation. Blend and flow.

 

Cyclists, particularly race snake roadies, are by definition A type personalities so you are going to get a high percentage of anal wombats.

 

To answer this and TK-Spez, I think a petition to force/persuade the club to make a formal apology and to push them to get media coverage of said apology will be a good start. To execute said plan, I believe a Hub run petition could be the answer, this will also showcase the Hubs stance in this matter. They also have the infrastructure to ensure the petition get the exposure it needs.

 

The forgive and forget idea is a fantastic ideology, but not always very effective, unfortunately.

 

Good cyclist pushing hooligan cyclists to apologize and act responsibly will go a long way in changing the motorist perceptions, but only if they actually get to see us doing it or the results of doing it.

Edited June 19, 2014 by ArchedBackChinOut

[Blackbeard]

To answer this and TK-Spez, I think a petition to force/persuade the club to make a formal apology and to push them to get media coverage of said apology will be a good start. To execute said plan, I believe a Hub run petition could be the answer, this will also showcase the Hubs stance in this matter. They also have the infrastructure to ensure the petition get the exposure it needs.

 

The forgive and forget idea is a fantastic ideology, but not always very effective, unfortunately.

 

Good cyclist pushing hooligan cyclists to apologize and act responsibly will go a long way in changing the motorist perceptions, but only if they actually get to see us doing it or the results of doing it.

 

You may well be right.

 

I will do my part by not being a d*ck on my bike. I invite others to join me.

Edited June 19, 2014 by Blackbeard

[DJR]

Once again i ask what your plan is to sort this problem out is?

 

I have expressed my disgust at the behaviour when it happened. Then I accepted that the law must take its course. That process resulted in an unsatisfactory (but still legal) outcome from my point of view. However, practically, there is very little that I can do to change it. Therefore, I have again stated my disgust with the legal outcome. To just keep quiet is wrong, just as wrong as keeping quiet about the attack would have been in the first place. Next, like Dale, I will also move on.