fandacious Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:11 AM, Tumbleweed said: If someone trusts me enough to tell me that they have doped in the past, I think I'll trust them when they venture an opinion on a rider they believe is clean. david georges wife didn't know he was doping. I wouldn't put much faith in some ex pro cyclists opinion of a current rider...
Tumbleweed Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:03 AM, Andrew Steer said: The beer doping is strong with this one! Hahahaha! Love that!
Patchelicious Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:13 AM, Tumbleweed said: No, it doesn't negate it at all. Was I recording the conversations? Did I make notes? No. Think burden of proof. Wasn't Lance banned based only on testimony?
Tumbleweed Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:14 AM, fandacious said: david georges wife didn't know he was doping. I wouldn't put much faith in some ex pro cyclists opinion of a current rider... Bad comparison. I do know that these guys were doping. Different scenario altogether.
Tumbleweed Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:17 AM, Patchelicious said: Wasn't Lance banned based only on testimony? Sworn testimony. And the fact that he refused to put up a defence. It's a "no contest" scenario.
Danger Dassie Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:17 AM, Patchelicious said: Wasn't Lance banned based only on testimony? http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/ReasonedDecision.pdf
fandacious Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:24 AM, danger dassie said: http://d3epuodzu3wui...nedDecision.pdf I actually read that entire thing once...
Danger Dassie Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:29 AM, fandacious said: I actually read that entire thing once... Ditto, the 60pg summary was a fair bit lighter reading. Still gave me a headache. TALUS and fandacious 2
Patchelicious Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:21 AM, Tumbleweed said: Sworn testimony. And the fact that he refused to put up a defence. It's a "no contest" scenario.So take what you have, write it down, go to the cop shop get is certified, and post it SAIDS...? Let them take it from there... Robo 1
Don Sol Posted July 10, 2014 Posted July 10, 2014 (edited) USN website suggests how they stand on contaminated supplements. It does happen and basically the teams they sponsor and individuals they endorse, the product comes out of a very specific factory. Im assuming tighter controls and QC. For example to manufacture a hydration drink uses a large variety of raw materials. More than likely from a variety of suppliers from all over the world. It seams quiet possable mistakes happen. How sure are you that you do actually get that 24g of protein or what the container suggests. I recon not very often. Wasnt it recently a pro got done for some steroid indication. They found it came from meat he had eaten. Its every where. Mistakes and contamination do happen. Let the investgation run its course. Edited July 10, 2014 by Don Sol
MooToo Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 11:30 PM, Don Sol said: USN website suggests how they stand on contaminated supplements. It does happen and basically the teams they sponsor and individuals they endorse, the product comes out of a very specific factory. Im assuming tighter controls and QC. For example to manufacture a hydration drink uses a large variety of raw materials. More than likely from a variety of suppliers from all over the world. It seams quiet possable mistakes happen. How sure are you that you do actually get that 24g of protein or what the container suggests. I recon not very often. Wasnt it recently a pro got done for some steroid indication. They found it came from meat he had eaten. Its every where. Mistakes and contamination do happen. Let the investgation run its course. http://www.usn.co.za/page/quality/quality-3.html
EZRider Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 10:46 AM, Patchelicious said: Omerta? Journalist?
Patchelicious Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 On 7/11/2014 at 4:45 AM, EZRider said: Journalist?Doping-Anti-Hypocrite.
EZRider Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 On 7/11/2014 at 6:22 AM, Patchelicious said: Doping-Anti-Hypocrite. Tumbles is a journalist.Sources might not confide in him if he outed them. Tumbleweed 1
Patchelicious Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 On 7/11/2014 at 6:35 AM, EZRider said: Tumbles is a journalist.Sources might not confide in him if he outed them.So is David Walsh
Tumbleweed Posted July 11, 2014 Posted July 11, 2014 On 7/10/2014 at 12:13 PM, Patchelicious said: So take what you have, write it down, go to the cop shop get is certified, and post it SAIDS...? Let them take it from there... Would be my word against theirs. The guys I've referred to are friends. Yes, they cheated. That makes them flawed. But so am I. On 7/11/2014 at 6:35 AM, EZRider said: Tumbles is a journalist.Sources might not confide in him if he outed them. Exactly. What I have heard over the years is all off-the-record. It wouldn't be ethical for me to use info I have received to out anyone. dracs, deanbean, HappyMartin and 1 other 4
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