HDW Posted July 24, 2014 Share There'll always be a weight difference though, unless its the Lightweight brand compared to, say, Mavic or ZippSo given the argument that weight is less important than aero, it would be better to go for the 50mm rims, even if they weigh a bit more? Unless you planning on riding in cross winds.Then you just have to up your skills I guess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted July 24, 2014 Share So given the argument that weight is less important than aero, it would be better to go for the 50mm rims, even if they weigh a bit more? Then you just have to up your skills I guess Yes go for the aero even if they weigh a little more. Within reason of course but up to 1800gr you'll be ok and go for 50mm. HDW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted July 24, 2014 Share So given the argument that weight is less important than aero, it would be better to go for the 50mm rims, even if they weigh a bit more? Then you just have to up your skills I guess IF you are averaging higher than the speed at which aerodynamic efficiency becomes more importanter than weight, yes. HDW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted July 24, 2014 Share It doesn't matter. You buy fancy **** because it makes you feel more awesome. This hobby is so much about the emotions. Performance is directly tied in to that. Feeling more pro is part of the fun. The aesthetic of cycling is what makes it so wonderful. Down the generations there's things cyclists just do, because it looks right and because it feels right. I'm as likely to buy a pair of shoes because they match details on my frame as I am to buy them for their performance. Genuinely, my new shoes made me faster because I felt great wearing them. So you get the new ultra-lightweight wheelset. People pick up your bike to do that approving thing. Your bike's more awesome. You push yourself harder to do your bike justice. You look at your bike some more. You swap out your stem for one that works just a tiny bit better. You feel good. You push harder. You train more. You're getting marginal gains all the time, not just physical but psychological too. Any sport is as much heart as it is head. Just accept that shiny things affect your heart too. lucmccann, Spirog, DIPSLICK and 14 others 17 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIPSLICK Posted July 24, 2014 Share It doesn't matter. You buy fancy **** because it makes you feel more awesome. This hobby is so much about the emotions. Performance is directly tied in to that. Feeling more pro is part of the fun. The aesthetic of cycling is what makes it so wonderful. Down the generations there's things cyclists just do, because it looks right and because it feels right. I'm as likely to buy a pair of shoes because they match details on my frame as I am to buy them for their performance. Genuinely, my new shoes made me faster because I felt great wearing them. So you get the new ultra-lightweight wheelset. People pick up your bike to do that approving thing. Your bike's more awesome. You push yourself harder to do your bike justice. You look at your bike some more. You swap out your stem for one that works just a tiny bit better. You feel good. You push harder. You train more. You're getting marginal gains all the time, not just physical but psychological too. Any sport is as much heart as it is head. Just accept that shiny things affect your heart too.What bike you ride again ChUkKy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johny Bravo Posted July 24, 2014 Share It doesn't matter. You buy fancy **** because it makes you feel more awesome. This hobby is so much about the emotions. Performance is directly tied in to that. Feeling more pro is part of the fun. The aesthetic of cycling is what makes it so wonderful. Down the generations there's things cyclists just do, because it looks right and because it feels right. I'm as likely to buy a pair of shoes because they match details on my frame as I am to buy them for their performance. Genuinely, my new shoes made me faster because I felt great wearing them. So you get the new ultra-lightweight wheelset. People pick up your bike to do that approving thing. Your bike's more awesome. You push yourself harder to do your bike justice. You look at your bike some more. You swap out your stem for one that works just a tiny bit better. You feel good. You push harder. You train more. You're getting marginal gains all the time, not just physical but psychological too. Any sport is as much heart as it is head. Just accept that shiny things affect your heart too.Love that. Well said. awsome dude. so true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted July 24, 2014 Share What bike you ride again Tomorrow is Friday Underachiever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DIPSLICK Posted July 24, 2014 Share Tomorrow is FridayBwhaaaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 24, 2014 Share So given the argument that weight is less important than aero, it would be better to go for the 50mm rims, even if they weigh a bit more? Depends on the course and conditions I believe for a CT rider like you, 50 mm is perfect considering races don't climb over climbs longer than, say, 15 mins. Falco and HDW 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoke101 Posted July 24, 2014 Share In the weigh vs aero there are way to many factors to consider and every case is different.Bike weightRider weightGradientRolling resistanceType of ridingLevel of riderEtc, etc, etc. One interesting article I read a while ago stated rolling resistance (tyres and road surface) was more important than weight, and weight only became more beneficial over 9% Edited July 24, 2014 by Spoke101 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDW Posted July 24, 2014 Share Dale, was actually nice meeing you the other day. I think it was you? I joined you and Lesley and another guy for a quick spin to just before Klein Joostenberg. I was on a red Specialized Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JannievanZyl Posted July 24, 2014 Share It doesn't matter. You buy fancy **** because it makes you feel more awesome. This hobby is so much about the emotions. Performance is directly tied in to that. Feeling more pro is part of the fun. The aesthetic of cycling is what makes it so wonderful. Down the generations there's things cyclists just do, because it looks right and because it feels right. I'm as likely to buy a pair of shoes because they match details on my frame as I am to buy them for their performance. Genuinely, my new shoes made me faster because I felt great wearing them. So you get the new ultra-lightweight wheelset. People pick up your bike to do that approving thing. Your bike's more awesome. You push yourself harder to do your bike justice. You look at your bike some more. You swap out your stem for one that works just a tiny bit better. You feel good. You push harder. You train more. You're getting marginal gains all the time, not just physical but psychological too. Any sport is as much heart as it is head. Just accept that shiny things affect your heart too.Exactly, placebo is worth up to 15%. The most important bit about upgrading anything on your bike is to make you love it even more. And thus ride more often, faster. Edited July 24, 2014 by JannievanZyl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Fastbastard Mayhem Posted July 24, 2014 Share Depends on the course and conditions I believe for a CT rider like you, 50 mm is perfect considering races don't climb over climbs longer than, say, 15 mins. Speak for yourself!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 24, 2014 Share It doesn't matter. You buy fancy **** because it makes you feel more awesome. This hobby is so much about the emotions. Performance is directly tied in to that. Feeling more pro is part of the fun. The aesthetic of cycling is what makes it so wonderful. Down the generations there's things cyclists just do, because it looks right and because it feels right. I'm as likely to buy a pair of shoes because they match details on my frame as I am to buy them for their performance. Genuinely, my new shoes made me faster because I felt great wearing them. So you get the new ultra-lightweight wheelset. People pick up your bike to do that approving thing. Your bike's more awesome. You push yourself harder to do your bike justice. You look at your bike some more. You swap out your stem for one that works just a tiny bit better. You feel good. You push harder. You train more. You're getting marginal gains all the time, not just physical but psychological too. Any sport is as much heart as it is head. Just accept that shiny things affect your heart too. Post of the week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Dale Posted July 24, 2014 Share Speak for yourself!!! When I typed that 15 mins, I thought 'uh oh'Then I added in "...say..." :-D Captain Fastbastard Mayhem 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcza Posted July 24, 2014 Share Ok I opened the book (Faster by Michael Hutchinson, The Obsession, Science and Luck behind the worlds fastest cyclists). At speed over 25km/h half the resistance on a bike is aerodynamics and 30km/h and above it's almost everything. Another calculation revealed that over the 2012 Worldchampionship TT course (reasonably hilly 46km) that saving 1kg will gain 6 seconds but saving 5W would gain 16 seconds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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