Bateleur1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 To add.. Astana are the dodge team of the peloton. .always have been and always will be.. they have a manager that always believed you do anything to win no matter what, even if that means attacking your own team mate so be it. What they have done over the years is no surprise.. But I do think that in the age of professional cycling where tech setup and durability is almost as important as rider ability.. that this unwritten rule is maybe one that needs to be forgotten as I honestly think it is manipulated too many times... that's just my opinion. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk How often does it really happen? I do not recall to many instances. There was the Contador/Schleck incident a few years ago. Last year CF also had a bike change but that was after a motorbike wrote his bike off. Don't think that was on order I remeber in the Lance / Ulirch days there was one tour where both waited on one another. So I do not think this is something that gets manipulated. Also when an attack is in progress then I think it is tough for the leader in anyway. It is only not to attack when there is a technical.
Bateleur1 Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 I don't know about that. They had a good opportunity to make Froome work harder.. every bit of energy he spends they save. And up the road Bardet was also spending a lot of energy, over 3 weeks it all adds up... well safe to say the tour is not following any previous scripts... Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk Which makes it exciting.
dev null Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Yup, when Chris asked for help it was Astana who put their hand up. Trust me, Astana was more worried about Bardet unseating Aru in second position.
Pah Bear Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Trust me, Astana was more worried about Bardet unseating Aru in second position.I find value in this opinion. Had they sat back and expected CF to do all the chasing, they would have been big losers too, so it was no "lets help out Froome" as some suggest but rather a "we have all to gain here" so lets work.
'Dale Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Really wanted Bardet to take the stage win yesterday.What a racer.Did not account for Big Ring Rigo though! Happy x 1000000!
Gen Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 How often does it really happen? I do not recall to many instances. There was the Contador/Schleck incident a few years ago. Last year CF also had a bike change but that was after a motorbike wrote his bike off. Don't think that was on order I remeber in the Lance / Ulirch days there was one tour where both waited on one another. So I do not think this is something that gets manipulated. Also when an attack is in progress then I think it is tough for the leader in anyway. It is only not to attack when there is a technical.Nibali attacked Froome in 2015 when Froome had a bike issue..think he also did the same at the Vuelta.. I remember something like that,.. Astana attacked Bert during the Giro when he had a bike issue. Seems to happen more frequently these days than previously or just more is made of it now than before, seems as if we are debating these things mire often lately.[emoji39] Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
Pah Bear Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Are there any facts to support the "abuse of mechanicals" to change to different equipment? I'm not being naive to believe this cannot/did not ever happen but I would think they would lose all credibility if they pulled that kind of stunt and got caught out. But then again same could be said of getting doped up and many seem to still do that. So ... I'm just trying to separate perception/unproven opinion from proven occurrences. Don't believe CF would have done that on Sunday like some are suggesting.
Rocket-Boy Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 How often does it really happen? I do not recall to many instances. There was the Contador/Schleck incident a few years ago. Last year CF also had a bike change but that was after a motorbike wrote his bike off. Don't think that was on order I remeber in the Lance / Ulirch days there was one tour where both waited on one another. So I do not think this is something that gets manipulated. Also when an attack is in progress then I think it is tough for the leader in anyway. It is only not to attack when there is a technical.Im pretty sure it was last year(or the one before) that Nibs attacked Froome when he had a stone stuck in his rear mech on the one narrow climb.
Rocket-Boy Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Really wanted Bardet to take the stage win yesterday.What a racer.Did not account for Big Ring Rigo though! Happy x 1000000!Were you watching something I missed? All I saw yesterday was a rest day
Gen Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Are there any facts to support the "abuse of mechanicals" to change to different equipment? I'm not being naive to believe this cannot/did not ever happen but I would think they would lose all credibility if they pulled that kind of stunt and got caught out. But then again same could be said of getting doped up and many seem to still do that. So ... I'm just trying to separate perception/unproven opinion from proven occurrences. Don't believe CF would have done that on Sunday like some are suggesting.No one accused Froome of doing that. I said the leaders could too easily manipulate the situation.. There have been tactical bike changes in the past where a terrain changes during a stage and the riders change bike models. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
Gen Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Yes I did. That is why I said he knew about the mechanical. I tried to find a youtube clip but could not find one.BTW does anyone know what the mechical was.. cause they should have that seen to.. was it the electronic gears? Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
kosmonooit Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Nibali attacked Froome in 2015 when Froome had a bike issue..think he also did the same at the Vuelta.. I remember something like that,.. Astana attacked Bert during the Giro when he had a bike issue. Seems to happen more frequently these days than previously or just more is made of it now than before, seems as if we are debating these things mire often lately.[emoji39] Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk And lest we forget when El Berto attacked The Andy when he dropped his chain, and claimed he never saw that
Gen Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Were you watching something I missed? All I saw yesterday was a rest day Dale's yesterday was your Sunday, he only watched it yesterday...so dale the lucky guy didn't suffer through a rest day. Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk
Transporter Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 With all these little gentlemanly unwritten rules the TDF is like a paid club ride to the riders. If your ride falls apart it is tough. That is why the guy in yellow acts like a prima donna. TDF is a test for man and his machine. Now it looks like Pinarello's break.
Rocket-Boy Posted July 11, 2017 Posted July 11, 2017 Im pretty sure it was last year(or the one before) that Nibs attacked Froome when he had a stone stuck in his rear mech on the one narrow climb.Yup it was 2015 TdF on the Mont Vernier stage where Nibs attacked him and went on to win the stage.Mont Vernier though, what a climb! I really hope they put that beauty back in at some stage.
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