Need advice! Getting screwed by local hubber

[Chavo]

Both parties can learn a lesson from this.(and this applies in general I think):

 

Seller - Don't advertise an item as having a certain compatibility/feature when you are uncertain whether or not this is true. This is even more important if the feature you advertise it as having, is in fact a selling point.

 

Buyer - When you're not buying local and are having something shipped to you (i.e. you cannot inspect), the first thing to do when the item is received is to check that the feature that was the selling point for you is in fact there. Receiving the item and then sending them to the LBS for further work before confirming compatibility is a big oversight. You have to take responsibility for that.

 

Here's a random hypothetical of such a situation:

I see a second hand fork for sale that is just the ticket for me, but the key thing is that the steerer tube must be a minimum of 180mm long. Shorter than this by even a couple mm and it won't fit. Low and behold the seller says it's exactly that, 180mm, but now I can't physically check this before buying as it is in another province but the deal is good and the seller confirms it's 180mm so I commit. The item takes a few days to arrive through courier etc. but once I receive the item I decide that instead of making sure of steerer length I will rather take the fork for a service as its second hand after all and likely in need of some loving. Once I get the fork back a week or so later I can finally fit it! Excitement! But no, turns out the steerer is too short by just a couple mm!

 

Fork it man, how irritating. That's BS, I've spent all this cash and the seller misrepresented what he sold me. While the frustration in this is perhaps to some degree justified, if I had just checked the steerer length the first chance I got after receiving the fork then it would hopefully have been a quick chat with the seller to see if a refund and return is possible or failing that trying to sell it on myself. I after all would have taken the risk in not buying local.

 

While this example is not quite the same (and I realise there are many holes and ways in which it can be picked apart), the point I'm trying to make is inspect an item the first chance you get if not buying in person, More importantly though, make 100% certain that the feature that led you to buying the item is in fact present before investing more into the item.

 

OP has a case to a certain degree in my mind, but seems to be more ticked off about the extra almost R3k that was spent putting tubbies on the wheels before confirming it was 11sp. That was a bit of an oopsie.

[intern]

TL DR. But I am amazed at how little some people seem to know about decency and commerce.

If you sell something, the buyer has entered into a relationship WITH YOU. Not your friend. The responsibility if something goes wrong lies only WITH YOU.

If I don't pay Edgars because my boss didn't pay me, does Edgars take it up with my boss?

Erm, no.

If your mate has spent the cash, finding it is a responsibility that lies WITH YOU.

Apply this simple principle in all your dealings and you will have happy and productive commercial engagements.

[Eugene]

I see some people are apportioning some of the blame on the buyer for not inspecting the item.

 

How does one tell if a free hub is 10 or 11 speed by looking at? I wouldn't know the difference.

 

Reasonably, you can't expect him to know there was a problem until they attempted to fit the cassette.

[lerouc]

Seller, see it as skoolgeld and pay the man already and move on with your life lesson.

[Mudsimus]

Excately why I do my own research before I buy anything.

[Help.Me.]

Mods please lock this hanbag fight, people lets get on with life....ffs

[Malpiet]

How about i buy the wheels as is for 3k with tubbies on them?

[Theo187]

Name and shame him!!!!

[Theo187]

TL DR. But I am amazed at how little some people seem to know about decency and commerce.

If you sell something, the buyer has entered into a relationship WITH YOU. Not your friend. The responsibility if something goes wrong lies only WITH YOU.

If I don't pay Edgars because my boss didn't pay me, does Edgars take it up with my boss?

Erm, no.

If your mate has spent the cash, finding it is a responsibility that lies WITH YOU.

Apply this simple principle in all your dealings and you will have happy and productive commercial engagements.

 

This is absolutely shocking ^^^^ (above). FFS. This seems to be the common sense here on the hub.

For the person that wrote the above.....I also felt this site is shared by everyone having the same passion and the same outlook on life with 2 wheels and especially not to rip off a fellow hubber.

Clearly you cannot teach common sense!

 

Like the author said: he thought we were all on the same page here on the hub....clearly not...especially not with people thinking that it's the buyers responsibility to arrange a lie detector to check all aspects.

[Patchelicious]

Name and shame him!!!!

Have you read the whole thread yet??

[Patchelicious]

"Didn't mean for this to blow up" ????????????????

[Tubehunter]

Mods please lock this hanbag fight, people lets get on with life....ffs

 

No MODS, please do not lock this thread. There is healthy debate going on with people sharing their own views on this transaction. This adds value and insight for members who are new and haven't had much interaction or real world dealings on what the common consensus is!

[ChUkKy]

WOW!! Seems like i missed the action here today.. SO THE ACCUSED IS NONE BUT I - Apologies for keeping everyone in so much suspense.. Sorry for the fact that i work an honest job people.. So i check my messages this afternoon and find this.. Firstly yes the seller is a friend who's just started riding and wanted a cool looking bike so bought the wheels not knowing that you cant run a Campy Shimano mix.. So he asked me to resell the wheels for him.. Little did i know i would find myself in this heep of cool stuff.. 

 

 

SO WHAT NOW>???? 

 

I have a bag that I need you to take to Thailand for me, will you drop it at a hotel which will be told to you on arrival at the airport?

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[FlashingPedals]

I told you to lie low did I not ??

 

 

FlashingPedals just a by the way how much commission did you get?

No comms man.. Was just a favour for a friend.. ...

[Theo187]

UUUHHHH yes i have!!!!

[FlashingPedals]

So for me the most important lesson learnt here ( Everyone please take heed of this ) is that when selling something to a buyer from another province, the buyer must send a friend to inspect that the item is 100% as advertised. If the friend is happy then the deal can proceed.. Also now understand why many sellers advertise as local collection only.. . I think that's the safest route..? But when you're selling a fairly good deal you also want to give fellow hubbers across the board the opportunity to get in on the good deal and when you don't, they complain.. So what do you do then when they cant send a friend..?