MTB on tar - Why?

[Eugene Oppelt]

Anxious? Yes. The schoolboy killed not far from this a few years ago was dead on impact. The road was closed for longer than 2hours...

 

What would the result be if a biker or car ploughs into a group at speed?

 

Everyone is up in arms over the carnage on the roads, but the simplest of behaviours/action is the hardest. Especially riding in a group, give distance between you and them.

 

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Understood.

 

Be careful though to not blame, criticize and target the victim group of these incidents on the road, albeit unintentionally.

 

Again, I understand the essence of your post.

[CogitoErgoSum]

Understood.

 

Be careful though to not blame, criticize and target the victim group of these incidents on the road, albeit unintentionally.

 

Again, I understand the essence of your post.

Thank you. It is just beyond me how people can question the intentions of anyone trying to look out for someone's safety.

 

I am most certainly not criticizing nor blaming anyone that has passed on, or got hurt, due to an accident.

 

I just don't understand why society (cyclists/drivers/pedestrians) as a whole cannot contemplate the outcome of their actions. If I do X, then Y and Z will most definitely be happening. (If I speed at 145km/h, most definitely I will not be able to avoid any pedestrians/cyclists. I will then be a murderer.)

 

No one is untouchable. No one is bigger than life. The illusions of grandeur in society is mind boggling.

 

Mutual respect between drivers and cyclists must become paramount. I will stay away from them and be aware of how my actions possibly impact them, they must stay way from me and anticipate the effect their actions/decisions could have on me

 

 

 

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[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Understood.

 

Be careful though to not blame, criticize and target the victim group of these incidents on the road, albeit unintentionally.

 

Again, I understand the essence of your post.

^^This. 

 

The problem of death on our roads is a real one, and something that can only be fixed through education and a change in mindset. Removing cyclists from the road WILL fix it for sure, but it is not the answer as we are considered road users and should not have to be removed in order to stop the carnage. It's like banning pedestrians because they cross the road and may get hit. 

 

The problem is apathy and ignorance. Not presence of vehicles (other than cars & motos) on the roads - regardless of said road's perceived safety. 

 

As soon as you begin advocating for the removal of the cyclists from those roads that you deem dangerous, you're - in a way - legitimising the errant motorists' behaviour. I'm not saying that YOU are doing that (I can see that you're not from your posts) but it heads that way. 

 

 

Me - if there's a shoulder and I'm on my MTB I ride on it. Doesn't matter which road it is. I, like some others, do not cycle certain roads because I personally deem the risk of injury to be higher than what I see as acceptable. But that will NOT cause me to say that cyclists should not ride on the road - where we are allowed to ride. 

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Thank you. It is just beyond me how people can question the intentions of anyone trying to look out for someone's safety.

 

 

Because, honestly, you went about it in a bad way. Your words were ambiguous and easy to misread. You also didn't help matters when you started attacking people for stating their opinions, instead of debating the opinions themselves. Yes, yes - you weren't the only one to blame, but you were the one to take it to the "warning zone"

[Vetseun]

I hate riding my mtb on the tar. It feels so slow compared to the road bike. Actually it sucks. Plus you wear all your knobblies off

I need to ride about 600 meters of tar from my house to where the trails start and that is enough!

Plus One Blondie. It feels at home on gravel.One of our routes takes a short section of tarmac. We always comment on how much happier the mtb feels on gravel.

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

Plus One Blondie. It feels at home on gravel.One of our routes takes a short section of tarmac. We always comment on how much happier the mtb feels on gravel.

I can hear the tyre's tears impact the tar if I go on road...

[Patchelicious]

Because, honestly, you went about it in a bad way. Your words were ambiguous and easy to misread. You also didn't help matters when you started attacking people for stating their opinions, instead of debating the opinions themselves. Yes, yes - you weren't the only one to blame, but you were the one to take it to the "warning zone"

https://youtu.be/siwpn14IE7E

[Captain Fastbastard Mayhem]

brilliant

[GLuvsMtb]

Most deaths on our roads are pedestrians. The answer is not to try and remove the pedestrians, but to create an awareness, enforce our traffic laws and prosecute offenders with very stringent penalties. Offering a gravel shoulder as a solution for mtb riders is not a fix as road users' behaviour is not altered. Take speed law enforcement and go and see how people drive on the R27 these days where average speed laws are enforced, and then compare the number of fatalities on this road since the implementation of ave-speed control. Fatalities are less than half. The reason: drivers behave differently under this system of law enforcement.

[Eugene Oppelt]

Or Bar ends on trees

You sound like have been tackled by one of those trees that jumped in your way on the single track ????

[eddy]

The comments on this thread gives a good explanation why we as a vulnerable group will never win this battle . We can not stand together . The OP' s concern was the safety of riders , nothing else . Just look at all the sarcastic remarks by some of our so called brothers . Not on .

I went to a funeral and spent a few hours this week with the widow and two sons of a cyclist mowed down by a motorist whilst minding his own business.

 

I refuse to accept that it was his fault.

 

Your logic supposes that women are responsible for being raped and people with possessions for being robbed.

 

Do not blame the victim. Only condemn the perpetrator. Not doing so normalises their behaviour.

 

Us cyclists need to start taking responsibility. The longer we blame others and claim we have the same rights, the longer it Wil take to earns respect.

Whilst we are more vulnerable than motorists, we have exactly the same rights as them.

 

How hard is that to understand? Not doing so makes you part of the problem.

[Patchelicious]

I went to a funeral and spent a few hours this week with the widow and two sons of a cyclist mowed down by a motorist whilst minding his own business.

 

I refuse to accept that it was his fault.

 

Your logic supposes that women are responsible for being raped and people with possessions for being robbed.

 

Do not blame the victim. Only condemn the perpetrator. Not doing so normalises their behaviour.

Powerful words

[Hairy]

^^This.

 

The problem of death on our roads is a real one, and something that can only be fixed through education and a change in mindset. Removing cyclists from the road WILL fix it for sure, but it is not the answer as we are considered road users and should not have to be removed in order to stop the carnage. It's like banning pedestrians because they cross the road and may get hit.

 

The problem is apathy and ignorance. Not presence of vehicles (other than cars & motos) on the roads - regardless of said road's perceived safety.

 

As soon as you begin advocating for the removal of the cyclists from those roads that you deem dangerous, you're - in a way - legitimising the errant motorists' behaviour. I'm not saying that YOU are doing that (I can see that you're not from your posts) but it heads that way.

 

 

Me - if there's a shoulder and I'm on my MTB I ride on it. Doesn't matter which road it is. I, like some others, do not cycle certain roads because I personally deem the risk of injury to be higher than what I see as acceptable. But that will NOT cause me to say that cyclists should not ride on the road - where we are allowed to ride.

as per what you say. ...and another side of the theory...if we ban cars from the roads certainly you will drastically reduce road deaths!

[Serious Panda]

I went to a funeral and spent a few hours this week with the widow and two sons of a cyclist mowed down by a motorist whilst minding his own business.

 

I refuse to accept that it was his fault.

 

Your logic supposes that women are responsible for being raped and people with possessions for being robbed.

 

Do not blame the victim. Only condemn the perpetrator. Not doing so normalises their behaviour.

 

Whilst we are more vulnerable than motorists, we have exactly the same rights as them.

 

How hard is that to understand? Not doing so makes you part of the problem.

 

No you got it completely wrong. If the victim gets eaten by sharks after he is warned not to swim in a pool of sharks, is he really the victim or just unwise?

 

It is not that it is his fault, but by now we all know that the risk on the roads is high, it is just not wise to continue cycling on the roads.

[Me rida my bicycle]

This topic has good intentions but also a good lesson in how not to start a story. From the start it seems you are attacking mountainbikers and then motorbikers so people tend to get defensive. If I understand correctly you said it's a dangerous road and you know it and you where on it just travelling in the opposite direction? Must be a nice road to ride.

[Patchelicious]

No you got it completely wrong. If the victim gets eaten by sharks after he is warned not to swim in a pool of sharks, is he really the victim or just unwise?

 

It is not that it is his fault, but by now we all know that the risk on the roads is high, it is just not wise to continue cycling on the roads.

Honestly dude, that is the silliest analogy I have ever seen.

 

Actually it's not even silly, it's down right insulting to our fellow cyclists and their families, who have been innocently killed while doing what they loved.